The Shrine

What a surprise. A nation goes under, Kali, with millions in financial hardship and all you can think of is how to profit from the hardships of others.

You make me want to throw up. You going to short-sell Greek securities too? Try to bankrupt the Greek people as well so you can buy summer homes that used to belong to people who are killing themselves or joining Golden Dawn because the old Greek government and Goldman Sachs bankrupted the country? And you wonder why I am a critic of Goldman Sachs.

"In 2001, Greece entered the European Monetary Union, swapped the drachma for the euro, and acquired for its debt an implicit European (read German) guarantee. Greeks could now borrow long-term funds at roughly the same rate as Germans—not 18 percent but 5 percent. To remain in the euro zone, they were meant, in theory, to maintain budget deficits below 3 percent of G.D.P.; in practice, all they had to do was cook the books to show that they were hitting the targets. Here, in 2001, entered Goldman Sachs, which engaged in a series of apparently legal but nonetheless repellent deals designed to hide the Greek government’s true level of indebtedness. For these trades Goldman Sachs—which, in effect, handed Greece a $1 billion loan—carved out a reported $300 million in fees."

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2010/10/ ... nds-201010

Having pondered it over, I will say this on the issue, Kali.

I will lay off you on this for the sole reason that I don't get the sense you have any plans to actually hurt the Greek economy or people with your summer home plans; and as you and I are both educated on the world of real estate, I'm sure you'll agree that a purchased and stewarded property is preferable to the cockroach hotels, alligator pond water parks, and other fun things that any property that takes a year or more to sell can easily become.

I will also say that the way you have presented the issue is atrocious - "speculating a sinking ship" indeed - but if all you want to do is have a summer home there, and you don't actually plan to go over there and commit real estate fraud, you're hardly likely to commit further economic abuses against the Greek people.

Buying a cheap summer home, not against the law. Real estate fraud however is; and "speculating a sinking ship" doesn't look very good for you all things considered. I'd advise retitling this to "Buying And Stewarding Greek Property" and you'll be far better off.

I have already taken a screenshot of the entire conversation just against the possibility that you are planning to Angelo Mozillo the European continent; but I doubt you really are, so I will leave it alone for now.

Don't get any ideas about Goldmanning the country at large.

Make me, you sorry thief and real estate vulture.

As it stands I have half a mind to e-mail Varoufakis' staff and ask them to reinstitute the drachma to help prevent a default.

People like you crashed the world economy in 2008. If you were in real estate down here I'd have already contacted some of my grandfathers' old friends and asked the FDIC/SEC to keep an eye on you. Just imagine if someone had put Angelo Mozillo, Dick Fuld, Jon Corzine, or any of those guys in check decades before they became economic criminals.

As it stands...play nice.

Once again - if you'd talked about wanting to buy a cheap vacation home in Greece, live there for awhile, and enjoy the culture, I wouldn't have had anything to say.

Buying up distressed properties so you "speculate" and profit off a nation's pain, that's something else entirely.

Don't derail threads.

Don't act like a real estate vulture. What I posted on your thread was perfectly on topic, you're just an asshole and you want people not to read my responses to you. Penny-ante cowardice rarely wins you friends.

Half the time you split off my posts and the other half you merge them onto other threads. I'd ask you via PM whether or not you want me denouncing your sadistic and unethical behavior on a new thread every time, but you threatened to ban me a month ago when I PM'ed.

At any rate, you know goddamned well that what you're planning to do to the Greek real estate market is barely ethical at best. As usual, you just don't care.

*snort* You split off my criticism of your plan to help further capitalize on Greek suffering, you mean, so no one else reading this would see it.

You'll probably purge this too.

It figures that you wouldn't want anyone here calling out your exploitation of Greece for what it is.

I've asked you enough and you wont learn. Take a 72 hour break to think it over.

Edit: When/if you come back, please quote where I "threatened to ban if you PM". Your fragile grasp of reality is not cause to make stuff up.

How was

Replay wrote:

Shrinweck wrote:In all honesty, it's probably better for everyone involved to just cut their losses, but that's the expert opinion of someone who got a C- or something in their economics classes in college.

That explains so much to me, Shrinnie.

even remotely on topic?

Shrinweck wrote:How was

Replay wrote:

Shrinweck wrote:In all honesty, it's probably better for everyone involved to just cut their losses, but that's the expert opinion of someone who got a C- or something in their economics classes in college.

That explains so much to me, Shrinnie.

even remotely on topic?

You aren't as 'edumicated' (or jewish) as he is...and that invalidates your silly opinion. At least, that's my translation of what he meant

If you meant why I left it...I just made a call. Maybe you wanted to defend it. I agree, looking back, it was a derail tho...purely a shot at you.

I know what he meant, what I'm getting at is how he gets off acting on his high horse, talking to us about holding grudges, and then throwing out high quality zingers like this to someone who hasn't even really interacted with him in months.

All of this on top of saying this grand gem a handful of days ago

Replay wrote:What astonishes me more is how long you and Joe hold grudges.

No matter what I happen to be talking about here, you can be reliably counted on to talk shit about something that was being discussed weeks or even months ago.

From a guy who has been holding grudges over piracy and anti-gay bigotry for years.

Oh, I see. Ya, pointing out the hypocrisy logically won't go very far.

Just fyi, I gave him a 72 hour vacation. In his mind, today, he thinks I am afraid of being of being exposed for market manipulation of Greece or some shit. In reality, I just want his particular brand of entertainment confined to separate threads.

I am tired of asking and have better things to do that admin'ing half his posts. I hope he gets it.

Oh oops, now I'm just piling on the temp banned guy.

This thread will still be here if/when he comes back, but I don't plan to insult him in his absence.

kali o. wrote:
You aren't as 'edumicated' (or jewish) as he is...and that invalidates your silly opinion. At least, that's my translation of what he meant :)

If you meant why I left it...I just made a call. Maybe you wanted to defend it. I agree, looking back, it was a derail tho...purely a shot at you.

Read this post more clearly. My first post was purely to Replay. I'm not really in the business of criticizing how well you do at being moderator, since I know that up until recently it has almost purely been janitorial work clearing out spam and whatnot. I don't even think I was aware you were a moderator for the first few years I started posting here again lol.. I guess its been six years now? I think that's the longest I've ever been an active part of a forum community. I think I did five years in the PVPOnline/Forumopolis community but I burned out of that the second I hit college.

You read it carefully enough...I just edited it while you were posting a follow up.

Actually, the reason I edited it was because your lack of a proper noun (Replay or Kali) changed your message substantially in terms of what your were critiquing.

And then this last post lacked a noun in the first sentence too, and fucked me up. Was it an imperative "READ THIS POST MORE CLEARLY!" or "[I...] read this post more clearly" (settled on the latter).

I guess the important question is...why do you hate nouns?

Yeah I do that sometimes but it's mostly just a dumb writing style.. What I actively actually try to work on when I'm writing on the Internet is my not being specific about the subject. In the sense of speaking to people online, I have a hard time remembering to remind myself that not everyone is following my train of thought when I use non-specific words to identify the subject.

To give an example, back in the day when I was first getting to know Tessian, we came out a particularly troll-y game of StarCraft (what can I say? we were like 12 and 14 years old) with another friend and I meant to call our opponents dicks or some such and they thought I was calling Tessian and the friend dicks. In retrospect, they were both a couple years older than me (me being the 12 year old) and they could have been screwing with me.

Also yeah I admittedly get off on derailing threads in certain ways but I try to keep it within a followable train of thought to the thread. For example, my first post in this thread I shopped around the idea of posting it in several different threads before deciding on this one lol

Well played.

Kali, when have you ever taken 72 hours off to "cool down" here yourself?

Why should I let you be dishonest about me for three entire days in my absence?

Regarding the potential ban - you seem to have a short memory. You don't even recall, do you?



I'm so glad we had this talk. You see, I just couldn't recall which company you first claimed you worked with, then later denied working with. Now I do.

So if you don't have any bosses at Hudson Pacific Properties (unlikely, since you deleted the one post where you mentioned your employer out of fear last time) - then you won't mind me calling them to have a talk with them about your posts here. The last Internet bully whose bosses I had to have a chat with was, oddly enough, another realtor with honesty issues. He had escalated to threatening my ex's child.

I found out which office he worked at, called them up, and discussed his history of Internet abuse. And apparently, even though I did not ask for it, they fired him.

I didn't really like doing it or feel good about it; yet I will say this - it eventually ended that terrible situation.

You really must remember that my family "full of nobodies" once had a responsibility to prevent real estate fraud at the highest levels of government. We are no longer officially required to; but it's a part-time hobby of mine. So I can give Hudson a call tomorrow about you and ask if you have a history of speculation in distressed markets, ask if you're going to actually steward any property you buy, if you're known as an ethical person within this organization and are trustworthy to operate in Greece - or in the United States, for that matter. I do have your "speculating a sinking ship" line stored on my computer.

But I don't want to.

I'd rather you actually just stop splitting threads, retitling my posts, abusing your moderator power generally - and have you talk things out like an adult for once in your life.

You let me know.

You have in fact indicated a potential desire to ban me several times in private messages; but who's counting, really? I was banned here for several years - and still found a way to find out who was saying dangerous, untrue things behind my back.

You and Brendan still have a lot to learn about running a public forum or public enterprise of any kind; and what kind of speech separates vigorous debate from actual libel.

Personally even I am weary of wearying the board with it; but as I've said, you indicate to me every time I PM you that you won't tolerate me PM'ing you.

The real irony to me is that Lestat warned me about my community here many years ago. All he said was "Some of the people at your board are a little..." and then trailed off, all the way back in 2001. I never found out what he actually meant by it; but I wish I'd listened then. I am truly sad at the decline in morals here over the years.

Here is a full reply for you kiddo.

1. You are intentionally lying now, which is kinda pathetic. If you went looking for that quote, you had the context. The exchange went as follows:

kali o. wrote:Subject: Piracy blah blah

Replay wrote:Where'd you get True Blood, kal? Pay for it, rent it on Flix or another outlet legally?

Or did ya torrent it?

Keep your shit in the proper threads. One warning is all you get.

Replay wrote:And if I refuse?

You did a great thing by telling me where you work. I can have this piracy discussion with you here or with your bosses at Hudson Pacific Properties. I'm tired of seeing the site I founded used for criminal behavior. You choose, kal.

Replay wrote:You told me everything I need to know via the fascism of your response - namely, despite the international real estate job you honk off so mightily about, and its associated salary, you still steal a lot of shit.

I highly advise keeping the lines of communication with me open. I'm a reasonable man, despite your nonsense; and I have contacts at the FDIC - which my grandfather used to run. The FDIC is still investigating criminality worldwide.

However, having taken this route before - namely, I got a man who was harassing my ex-girlfriend on Facebook fired for racist posts on the White House boards after he threatened her son, after finding his own employer and having a chat with them - I don't particularly like the thought of going that route.

Thankfully for you - I already checked out Hudson Pacific after our little chat before, and found out that its exposure to and potential role in subprime was more or less nonexistent.

However, you are still stealing shit left and right on torrents, clearly, and my family has connections in Hollywood too.

Why do you steal?

Don't muscle up on me, "kiddo". My family is what it is because we are no slouches at what we do. You get one warning. Ban me from the site I founded and I'll be forced to conclude that you are not only a software piracy hub, but an unrepentant software piracy hub. I will take appropriate action.

Then followed the screen shot you gave. At no point did I tell you that you would be banned if you PM'd me. Hell, you even acknowledge I am referring to banning you from the site in that last pm...so dishonest.

2. You can contact whoever you want. Be sure to save the transcript and share with the class, nutcase. I also never deleted whatever post you are claiming.

3. I took you off ban since I knew I'd be swamped the next few days. Funny (and sad) that you popped back less than an hour later. The first thing you did...go back to derail the other thread. Since I can tell you are a slow learner, let's try this again. See you in 72 hours...or not (even better )

4. We all believe you are well connected with Mossad, the Illuminati, Hollywood, FDIC, CIA, Interpol, federal prosecutors and a family full of important wealthy elite (strange they can't muzzle and medicate the black sheep, lol)...you are impressive, your arguments impregnable and totally not fucking crazy. Please don't close this site. Please don't report us as a piracy hub. Please don't interfere with my take over of Greece. Happy?

5. I find it funny (and telling) that you use "we" in the following:

You really must remember that my family "full of nobodies" once had a responsibility to prevent real estate fraud at the highest levels of government. We are no longer officially required to; but it's a part-time hobby of mine.

I don't pretend to know if your grandfather is who you claim...reality isn't exactly familiar territory for you. But even if he was who you say, YOU are NOBODY. That you say "we" is just so damn sad.

I will miss your brand of entertainment...and I am one of the few probably...but I simply have no desire to continue to police you and your derails in threads on a daily basis. Learn or go away.

I enjoy how you banned me for three days to demonstrate that you never threatened to ban me. Jesus Christ, Kali - you know you lie about me on a regular basis. My memory of you threatening to ban me if I PM'ed you is VERY clear - or I'd have kept this entire squabble out of the board and out of everyone's hair.

Since your public word here now is that you AREN'T going to ban me just for PM'ing you; should I send my grievances to you directly instead?

Thankfully, again - this page is proving very helpful as far as how to deal with you.

http://www.wikihow.com/Deal-With-a-Sociopath

It's taken me a long time to realize a few things about you:

1) As a sociopath, you don't feel normal human emotions. You can't. You literally don't have the neurological "hardware" to feel things like empathy or concern for other people. I have a feeling it must be hard for you.
2) Part of your sociopathy is that if someone challenges you, you see any and all abusive tactics - dishonesty, abuse, libel - as above-board; that is how your egocentrism works. So me asking you why you are dishonest is a waste of time.
3) Despite the cheerful and jovial front you put out here - another traditional feature of sociopaths - I would guess you live in a state that most people would describe as a living hell. Most of what you know is abuse and dishonesty, and you can't be yourself; because there is no "yourself". If you take away the dishonesty and the manipulations, there isn't much left.

I thought long and hard about it all over the three-day period you had me banned for. I don't love it that you want to get involved in real estate deals that are a few steps above graft; but that's your choice to make. I absolutely find it revolting that you want to use the board that I did found as a resource for real estate speculation bordering on the unethical and the illegal. But the last time I went above someone's head on a matter like this, they DID get fired - and that was far more than I actually wanted. I did feel terrible about what happened to that person in the end, even though they WERE threatening the people I love.

It was, however, a close thing and a hard decision to make. I will say that I don't want you doing this on the site I founded. Take it to another site, please. No one here really has the knowledge you need for Greek real estate deals in any case, except possibly me if I did make contact with some of the people you believe don't exist - and I am loath to do so unless I know you're going to be above-board about it.

Also, don't come to the United States and pull this shit or brag about how you're going to pull a fast one on real estate down here. My "family full of nobodies" was indeed once in charge of prosecuting real estate fraud here at the highest levels. Indeed you are right about one thing - I am "nobody" as far as these things go - but the people I know are not nobodies.

The real irony is that if you had said "Buying A Greek Vacation Home" instead of "Speculating A Sinking Ship", I'd be happy to help you find resources on the issue.

Why can't you just buy property in Greece with the intent of having fun there and enjoying the culture?

Replay wrote:Since your public word here now is that you AREN'T going to ban me just for PM'ing you; should I send my grievances to you directly instead?

If you have something to say, I suggest posting a thread, not PMs. But the only thing you've been asked to do is not derail threads with tangents.

As to help purchasing property...not needed.

Kali, contrary to what you believe, I don't actually enjoy fighting with you over and over again.

Once again - why can't you actually buy a property in Greece with the intent of doing well by it?

For fuck's sake, as a realtor you know you can even flip properties without being unethical about it if you're really trying. If you actually want to buy a property, renovate it, and sell it at a profit to a decent buyer, the Greeks will welcome you with open arms; you know how capital-poor they are.

But if all you're going to do is sit on some shitty backlot until the market changes while it slowly degrades under your ownership, that won't be any good for anybody - even you, because if the Greek market crashes it's going to STAY crashed. You know how bad their problems are. You're as likely to end up sitting on a property you can't sell for a year or more or even losing money on the deal as anything.

Hmmm...I never said anything, one way or the other, that you are spouting off about. Where do you get these things?

I promise anyone that purchasing property at bottom prices in Greece will be profitable, with very few pitfalls (some minor concerns if you don't have EU citizenship and financing won't be possible, so cash only).

And do you promise that you're going to be a good landlord to whatever property you purchase?

Also, how exactly do you "promise" profitability when no one on Earth, save a few insiders, even knows whether or not Greece is going to reintroduce the drachma or whether or not the default is going to change real estate prices in the least? Insider information?

Right now, the company you claim you don't work at and that you deleted the evidence you posted here of working at, once upon a time, has a two star rating on Glassdoor and has its first major lawsuit pending, with one of its tenants claiming it's being unfairly evicted after spending millions to renovate the facility.

Do you understand that you are in a business where people get hurt if you profiteer too heavily or do you not care? Are you a realtor or a slumlord, Kal? You really need to decide. And I would not suggest deleting this message, either. Man up and have the conversation.

http://labusinessjournal.com/news/2014/ ... -mainstay/

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Hudson ... 354494.htm

If I hear even a HINT of any kind of organized scheme to bottom out Greek property prices and then raise them later after various foreign interests buy up a lot of land...

Seriously, Kali. You need to stop trying to put one over on the world. Leave the Greeks alone; they've had enough foreign fraud already.

Awww...you were good for a bit there, now crazy again. Did you forget your meds?

If you catch a "hint", you will do nothing. You have no power.

And PS, [REDACTED].

I'm not surprised. Just keep talking, Kali. Tell us all about it.

I'll definitely say this: giving the Shrine to Brendan was one of the worst decisions I've ever made. I am beginning to understand why people who can't build and maintain infrastructure of their own shouldn't be given it by other people, even out of the goodness of one's heart, or in pity as it was given here.

Neither you nor Brendan have the total skillset to have created this place - you can't code or MAKE anything for shit, it's one reason you decided on the road you have, no doubt - easier to own things others have made and turn people out on the streets than actually make anything or be of use to society, isn't it, "kiddo"? - and while Brendan could code a site, he was a practical social mute for the first few years he was here and trying to get his old sites off the ground and didn't have the social skills to maintain a community.

Those lack of social skills have now been reflected in his decision to appoint an atavistic, immoral, sadistic sociopath like you to the moderatorship here - for many reasons no doubt, but knowing that seeing a slimeball like you elevated would piss me off among them - and now that it's in your hands - pearls before swine, Kal.

But by all means keep talking, please.

Replay wrote:Those lack of social skills have now been reflected in his decision to appoint an atavistic, immoral, sadistic sociopath like you to the moderatorship here - for many reasons no doubt, but knowing that seeing a slimeball like you elevated would piss me off among them - and now that it's in your hands - pearls before swine, Kal.

But by all means keep talking, please.

Heh. Ok. Not to insert logic in your random crazy tangent, but I think most folks agree I am a fine mod (the extent of my role is keeping bots at bay and I doubt most folks would know I was a mod if it werent for you).

Now back on topic (lol), [REDACTED]. Does that upset you? Tell me about it and provide more empty threats

By all means simply keep talking about how much you love to turn tenants out onto the streets.



You said above, hey, please don't go to anybody about all of this, and I said, fine, that's okay, I won't, just please don't use the community I did found to foment unethical real estate transactions.

You promptly either gave me the finger on that or didn't read what I wrote and told everyone here Greece was a great place to turn a profit, so all bets are now off; you do what you feel is necessary and so will I.

Replay wrote:You said above, hey, please don't go to anybody about all of this, and I said, fine...

Hehe...it must be awesome to live in your mind. Your reality is skewed, so you can be justifiably oblivious to any and all context. No wonder you can't properly understand information.

Anyway, you are obviously referencing this quote above:

"...you are impressive, your arguments impregnable and totally not fucking crazy. Please don't close this site. Please don't report us as a piracy hub. Please don't interfere with my take over of Greece."

Just fyi -- that was dripping with sarcasm. None of that was a serious appeal. Anyone not ill would understand that. You do what you gotta do big boy. Just keep us all informed

PS - [REDACTED].

*shrugs*

A pity you weren't serious about that, but are serious about ripping off the Greeks.

Like I said, keep talking. It's beautiful to watch you leave all this on what is essentially a public record.

Replay wrote:A pity you weren't serious about that, but are serious about ripping off the Greeks.

kali o. wrote:Hehe...it must be awesome to live in your mind. Your reality is skewed, so you can be justifiably oblivious to any and all context. No wonder you can't properly understand information.

What exactly do I not understand about the situation, Eric?

Kali wants to be one of the many people who wish to profit from the Greeks' suffering, largely inflicted on them by bankers in our own country.

Do you think he is "just kidding" about this too? Do you care?

Anyone who would slumlord/profiteer on a foreign nation without regard to the lives it has hurt is an absolutely disgraceful human being at best; at worst I'll spare you all what I think of such people. Thousands of Greeks have killed themselves over "their" crash - inflicted on them by their old government and bankers in America. Eleven Greek people MORE every month since the crash are killing themselves - a 35 percent raise in the suicide rate.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102395651

"Renovictions" like Kali's - often a term used by sadistic realtors who wish to evict tenants hastily or even outside the bounds of law to claim distressed properties at a song, which they then promise to cheaply "renovate" while in reality they often refuse to take care of - are a distasteful practice at best; a lethal one at worst. But it seems I might not even have to stop your shit at all, in your city, Kali - apparently this is an epidemic by scumlords and slumlords in your city already, if a major mayoral candidate is talking about how many people in Vancouver are being hurt by this.

http://www.vancouverobserver.com/news/c ... novictions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_lending

If you all don't care who gets hurt over this though...then all of you just keep talking please. Sheriffs in America are starting to refuse to serve eviction notices by slumlords. One way or another, the system will change.

https://www.google.com/search?client=op ... 8&oe=UTF-8

Oh, and hey, Kali - just some reminders.

"Predatory lending is the unfair, deceptive, or fraudulent practices of some lenders during the loan origination process. While there are no legal definitions in the United States for predatory lending, an audit report on predatory lending from the office of inspector general of the FDIC broadly defines predatory lending as "imposing unfair and abusive loan terms on borrowers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_lending

Do you know what the headquarters of the FDIC in America is called?

My my my...even Vice has reported on Vancouver's "renovictions" problem. Your sort have been busy beavers already up there, haven't you? Who knew that Vancouver was a predatory-lending world hotspot?

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/renovict ... ytime-soon

Quick comment and question, my little "Stanford" genius...

- Your definition implies you don't understand what renoviction means.
- Why are you talking about predatory lending now? Is that another term you don't understand?

Anyway, carry on...

Also, [REDACTED]. Keep it hush hush though, we don't need Replay interfering.

kali o. wrote:Quick comment and question, my little "Stanford" genius...

This is not the first time that a loser white-collar Internet criminal has tried to pretend I didn't get into college where I did. But it does blow my mind that I have to carry around my now-falling-apart college ID just to stop haters from lying about me. Curse of success I suppose.

kali o. wrote:- Your definition implies you don't understand what renoviction means.
- Why are you talking about predatory lending now? Is that another term you don't understand?

Do YOU not understand what a renoviction is?

Generally speaking, in case anyone ELSE is having trouble understanding Kal's particular brand of white-collar crime - a "renoviction" is an eviction plus a property renovation designed to raise rents in an area.

The "renovation" may be real or it may not be; the eviction is always real, frequently illegal, and always accompanied by the rent raise. It's also called "predatory remodeling" after a criminal pattern on the part of the realtor is firmly established...

I think you understand what renovictions are quite well; but I did link the rest of the board enough information on them so people can see what it is, generally speaking - an unethical evictions process bordering the gray side of legality at best; outright illegal harassment of the poor and minorities at worst that causes homelessness and suicides across a city.

kali o. wrote:Anyway, carry on...

Also, thanks to some government connections through my company, I have found several homes just outside of Athens. The miserable owners are in default of property taxes and did not register in time for the flat monthly option. PM me and you can snatch up some of these for a song. Keep it hush hush though, we don't need Replay interfering.

Thank you! I'll feel free to PM you all about your transactions.

Consider me potential practice for many other questions you are sure to receive about your unethical real estate career over the course your life.

Incidentally, since the depredations of your predatory real estate predecessors in the S&L crisis of the 1980's, the FDIC is the main agency tasked with ending real estate fraud in America. The headquarters is now called the L. William Seidman center.

By all means, however, tell me about your company's government connections too - I am rather sure after a week of research that I already know, but you can share it with the board.

Sorry folks, I had to go through my posts in this thread and selectively redact certain portions. A part of me is a little worried certain...people...were getting a little too close to my identity and connections. I don't want some random nobody lucking out and derailing my...no our...profitable ventures and manipulation of the Greece market. Keep your cards close to your chest...and make sure it's me PMing you, not someone pretending to be me!

Don't worry, Mr. Gekko. Everything you redacted on this thread, I've already archived.

Thanks for the redactions though! It indicates even you know what you are doing is wrong. Will make life easier on my end.

Really - as you all are asking me to do constantly, we can talk about art, movies, cinema now. Or will I get accused of "derailing" the thread you already moved to a different train track again?

Anyone else love the Shawshank Redemption?

Or how about the scene from Wall Street where Gordon doesn't realize Bud Fox is wearing a wire?

Classic.

Replay wrote:Really - as you all are asking me to do constantly, we can talk about art, movies, cinema now. Or will I get accused of "derailing" the thread you already moved to a different train track again?

This thread is your show little buddy - you can post absolutely anything. Nothing is a derail in this epic

I like Gladiator myself....

Not a lot to say I haven't said. I could post some more links on stopping predatory realtors. It would be good if this forum were used for the public good and stopping instances of fraud, don't you agree?

http://www.perfecthomeliving.com/mortgagefraud.htm
http://real-estate-law.freeadvice.com/r ... losure.htm
http://www.city-data.com/forum/house/20 ... eling.html
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/07/1 ... emodeling/

I could also ask why you feel you have to engage is what is essentially theft to make a living, Kal - but I think I already know the answer to that one. It's the same reason you pirate; the same reason you do a lot of things - because you don't actually make anything, or provide a useful service.

There are three ways to make a living as a general rule, and two are valid, upright ways. 1) make a good, 2) provide a service. And then there is 3) become a con man or a thief, usually done by those who can't do the first two.

You can't do the first two, and I'm assuming that's why you engage in the third; but you could always feel free to tell me if I'm wrong on that.

Really - I'm just sorry that you grew up to be a white-collar criminal, and that you choose to use my old forum to try to engage in your preferred way of "making a living".

However, I'm really torn still on whether or not reporting your "renovictions" practice or simply letting you actually sell some evicted Greek slums to anyone here who is stupid enough to do it is the best way to resolve this.

I have a feeling that letting you unload some sight-unseen Athenian "renovicted" houses full of problems on the board, and letting you con some of our fine Shrine citizens out of a few grand or even five figures' worth of actual money they worked for, would finally let the board see you for what you are - but it bothers me to see any con man get away with his cons, really.

Given all the information I've posted on what "renovictors" do, though - anyone who is stupid enough to give you money deserves what they'd get.

What amazes me more is that placid old Vancouver happens to be ground zero for a new generation of unethical realtors. Busy busy bees indeed you have been. Vancouver's realty issues are so bad that you have a WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE devoted to the result: a 25% rise or so in homelessness and a record population of homeless people.

http://www.vancourier.com/news/homeless ... y-1.981891
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_Vancouver

But oddly enough, it makes sense; if your region really is a bastion of failed poverty policy - the drug tolerance Vancouver is famous for also seems to have resulted in a mass migration of addicts to the city - there is little "gentrifiers" and unscrupulous developers enjoy more than having a lot of dirty addicts and minorities to evict who can't particularly fight back and are too stigmatized to gain social traction if you treat them unfairly; people with social issues can't fight unfair evictions or have the resources as a general rule.

How many renovictions have you performed personally?

How many people have you put out on the streets?

Do you perform renovictions in winter?

Did any of the resulting homeless die from the bitter cold in a Canadian winter yet?