The Shrine

At the beginning of December it was 58% to 30% in Clinton's favour.
Sanders is up to 40% and Clinton is down to 48%.

Bernie should pick Biden as his potential Vice President, that will guarantee a landslide victory over Trump. Warren would be the ideal choice if victory conditions were the same, but Biden seems very popular.

Hopefully, 40-50 years from now, Obama will still be around to look back on the results of the socially progressive movement in which he was the first real leader of, and being the first revolutionary US president in decades. While he was not completely successful in his goals, he got a lot of wheels rolling, a lot done, considering the great wall of obstacles thrown at him by the Conservatives.

I like Bernie Sanders and I wish him the best. I might vote for him, I could really go either way. Although there will be no new progressive era until Democrats control Congress as well. I don't see that happening until at least 2020.

Remember, this also happened in 2008. Hillary was the presumptive nominee until nearly the end of 2007; but after she overspent her campaign money twice, the focus shifted to Obama. I think it's happening again with the revelations that Clinton's faking nearly half of her Twitter followers, and that her campaign was involved in the recent DNC hit job on the Sanders campaign. (Basically, the Sanders staffer responsible for the data breach turned out to be a Clinton plant, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the DNC chair responsible for revoking Sanders' access to Democratic voter data, is also a former Clinton staffer and close Clinton friend.)

The problem is that in the end the Clintons happen to play very dirty politics - and they have a lot, lot, lot of baggage behind them at this point. No one denies that Bill Clinton's Presidency was judged a success in its time - but it's 2016 now, not 1996 with the good times rolling, and a lot of things have happened that really put a stain on their legacy. That includes everything from Bill signing the repeal of Glass-Steagal at the behest of three GOP Congressmen aiding in the causes of the Crash of 2008, to Bill having attended one of serial child rapist Jeffrey Epstein's parties, to Benghazi and all that carnage, to the loads of former Clinton associates who didn't live to see 2016 - Vince Foster, Mary Mahoney, a lot of former Clinton bodyguards, and so on.

My big fear is that Sanders is going to win Iowa - and that the DNC is going to cheat him right out of it, as happened to Ron Paul in 2012 in Iowa - and with Schultz chairing the DNC, that looks like a more troubling and likely possibility than ever. The evidence is really that both the DNC and RNC are rancid with entrenched power and corruption, and that they are not above this kind of ugly power play at all.

Talking about Clinton baggage...

Let's also not forget that Bill Clinton has been accused on rape by several different women. People have already judged Bill Cosby as guilty without trial saying that "if so many women accuse someone of rape, they can't all be lying". For some reason that logic has not been applied to Bill (at least by Democrats).

I know that Bills actions aren't Hillary's fault but she took part in smear campaigns against these women. She's now saying "we should trust women who say they've been raped". Apparently not all of them though.

ManaMan wrote:I know that Bills actions aren't Hillary's fault but she took part in smear campaigns against these women. She's now saying "we should trust women who say they've been raped". Apparently not all of them though.

This.

I mean, none of us can act as judge and jury...but it is also important for us not to abdicate our tendency to watch out for hypocrisy, either. I see it as *extremely* unlikely that Bill just happened to get invited to Epstein's sex party by coincidence.

She's going to keep getting caught in her own contradictions all the way to Election Day and beyond; which is why I think it's crucial to support Sanders in the primaries.