The Shrine

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:42 am**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Kill everybody.

Humans create laws and the crime that follows.

Kill all humans.

No more humans left to create laws and crime.

Ergo, no more crime.

See, it's perfect! :)</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:45 am**

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:07 am**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>Play Skies of Arcadia =P</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:01 am**

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>obviously you're just being an ass, but seriously what would you have us do instead, rehabilitate? Ha fucking ha. Thats the most rediculous concept and whoever thought if IT should die.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:45 am**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>What are you talking about?</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:28 am**

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>It doesnt work and treats prisoners too kindly for the stuff they did. All criminals have to do is scream insanity and suddenly they get cozy rooms and medical care instead of what they deserve. Shortly after they get let out when they are "fixed" only to end up commiting the same crime. Why do people get second chances when they are too stupid to see the consequences of what will happen while they do it the first time? Just doesnt make sense.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:39 am**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>What are you basing these conclusions on?</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:47 am**

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Repeat offenders who "graduated" from rehab, maybe? I think he's talking about voilent criminals, not drug addicts. I think. And ask Flip where he was on the night of May 3rd, 1999. =8^)</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:16 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>They need to re-open Shawshank =P</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:37 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt arial; text-align: left; '>Heh. I didn't realize we were allowed to make up facts now! In that case...Hey! Look at me! I live in a glass bubble on the Moon with a pet dinosaur!</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:58 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '><b>Link:</b> <a href="http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pandp.htm">some prison stats</a>

"42% of State parole discharges in 1999 successfully completed their term of supervision, relatively unchanged since 1990. 43% were returned to jail or prison, and 10% absconded."

I dont care how you look at it, 43% back in jail is a terrible %. If it was around 15% then i might think the parole/rehabilitate system works. Notice how more went back into jail then completed their parole (43vs42). Not to mention the 10% that hid/ran away and are probably doing more illegal stuff as we speak.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:12 pm**

<div style='font: 11pt "Fine Hand"; text-align: left; '>Thank. At least I didn't have to look up "absconded". =8^) *whew*</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:34 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Which also means that 47% did not return. Unless you want every offense to have life imprisonment, you have to release people eventually.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:35 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>And where did you get this idea that it's easy to pull of an insanity plea?</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:49 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>and second, i used insanity as an example because i was pissed that that bitch of a mother who killed her 5 kids will go to a mental hospital instead of dying like she deserves. It was announced a few days ago.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:54 pm**

<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Also notice that "60% returned following a technical violation of release conditions, 30% following a conviction for a new offense, and 10% for other violations." (<a href=http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/o ... doj.gov</a>)

Yeah, there's problems. Yeah, there are repeat offenders. Yeah, it's a problem. But your characterization that rehabilitation is a "scam," doesn't work and treats prisoners too kindly is a huge jump from these statistics.</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:39 pm**

<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>It was probably your pet dinosaur that ate 3 of my spaceships!</div>

PostPosted:**Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:22 pm**

<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>I'm not at all adverse about being harsh, I'm just adverse about being harsh without a good reason.</div>

The Shrine

I have a perfect solution to crime that I'm sure Tessian will agree with.

I have a perfect solution to crime that I'm sure Tessian will agree with.

well, he was making fun of harsh penalties so i figure his stance is for rehabilitation, which is the biggest scam there is.

Well here is one, maybe i can dig up more later...

First of all, the statistic was parole people, not people who were let out, of course people should get let out... when their term is over and not anytime sooner.

Well gee, I'm sure you know all of the facts of that case, and further you can extrapolate it to the general case.

Well, firstly, yes I was just being an ass. And secondly, if you think I'm against punishment and the death penalty, you assume too much.