E3 thread!

[kali o.]

Duck! Sine and Don are coming for you!

I still don't like Nintendo's games, nor do I think they are good for the evolution of the industry (I think just a few days ago, they had a quote that referenced 'videogames should be treated like toys' or somesuch)...And if Seeker starts posting his delusional numbers and propaganda, I'll jump in. But I think this gen, MS is gonna get all the hate. And they deserve it.

Nintendo has always been on the forefront of evolution in the industry. It's not about whether you like them or not it's about what has happened. Eliminating Nintendo as a hardware manufacturer is akin to eliminating indie movies from being released in theatres. You have to have SOMEONE keeping the innovation coming. Nintendo tries stuff far more often than anyone else, we need them around whether you like their games or not.

The way budgets are going now, there are less and less chances taken. This isn't coming from me. There's a recent article from Cliffy B on the same thing and a lot of the big game developers have left to join smaller, indie companies because the business side is taking over too much. And it's just gonna get worse and worse as graphical needs keep getting more and more expensive. Even moreso now that we're entering a state of severely diminishing returns as Sine pointed out in his graphic above.

Now, I'm not saying Nintendo is the only source of innovation. Far from it. I actually have less games for my last 3 Nintendo consoles than their rivals (play time? that's a different matter :-). But as the other systems are getting more expensive with more expensive games, we may need them more and more. I don't want all my innovation on my handhelds and (to a far lesser extent) smartphones. I want something on my consoles too

Now that I'm past the initial Microshaft "FUCK YOU!", I'm waiting to see how all this falls out. By February we'll know exactly how things are gonna work. I agree with the analysts, I don't think the publishers have the balls to deny used games. Activation codes can go away as easily as they come (deactivate that requirement, no more codes in new games). If those two things happen and $ony builds in Online Passes into every game released on the PS4, you may (although very unlikely) have a situation where your PS4 actually requires you to pay more to play than your Xbox One. I ain't getting either off the bat and I will very easily wait 'til the industry settles itself before I decide.

But a Wii U? Finally enough reason to buy one now. Gonna get one at Black Friday. Only question is: does Nintendo drop the 32GB to $250 and introduce a 128GB one at $300 or do they (very unwisely) try to get the extra $50 for each level?

1) Developers are innovators. Console manufacturers are not - they provide gimmicks and adopt stolen ideas.
2) If you reference that troll, CliffyB, your point is automatically void. That little faggot made 20 mil or so as a designer with Epic. A designer. Their out of control budgets and bonuses aren't the gamers problem or an "industry" problem.
3) I still don't want a Wii U. They don't "anger" me like MS or EA, but I simply don't like them. Innovation isn't a waggle-wand or an over-priced tablet. Those are gimmicks. The way we interact with games will not substantially change until the way they are displayed undergoes REAL innovation (3d surround OLED, headsets, etc). Nintendo won't drive that innovation, especially as a toy company.

Holy shit, Tony Soprano died? The fuck...

[Eric]

The Nintendo Elephant in the room, it just doesn't care it does what it wants. :p

[Julius Seeker]

The Nintendo Elephant in the room, it just doesn't care it does what it wants. :p

Hahahaha, kind of about right about the Wii U right now

Everything was "you can play this awesome game you want soon... In 2014!"

The Virtual console has some good games out on it now, but I don't understand Nintendo's strategy to not front load the system with 10-15 games a week for the first 4-6 month stretch, and then run features/sales on existing games to promote sales when things slow down. Seriously, I want to fill up my collection NOW.

One thing I like better about this VC over the Wii model is the inclusion of really good deals, such as the Super Metroid for 30 cents deal last month.

[Zeus]

Kali, Nintendo is the biggest developer (and publishers) of video games in the world. They HAVE to keep releasing systems, their games depend on it. They keep changing what consoles are and make games around them. You and I may not like waggle but A FUCK lot of others did. In fact, the entire reason everyone is down on the Wii U right now is because no one has used the Gamepad to it's potential. People have come to expect innovation from Nintendo and buy their systems because of it. And it's their games that they develop that drives them.

Cliffy B was just an example. The industry has been going in a downward (upward?) budget spiral for a while. That's pure fact not anyone's opinion. It's a HUGE problem in the industry right now. Why do you think $ony and Microshaft are actually investing money in indie games? Things are simply too "vanilla" in the industry, innovation is dying because of absolutely ballooning budgets.

The Gamepad hasn't been utilized at all. If the DS has proven anything, a touchscreen can provide some very good innovations to gaming. We need SOMETHING that isn't just more of the same. And even though it's already been done, the Gamepad might at least provide us with something different. Just too much derivative in the industry, we very badly need Nintendo around and to make good on their attempts at innovations. They at least keep trying when others don't bother most of the time.

Even when they have a hard time like they did with the 3DS at the beginning and the Wii U now, we still need them or all you're gonna get is 85% of the games being 2 or 3 genres with very little difference between them. You know how many games now I completely ignore because they truly offer NOTHING? I have lowered my expectation of games so much this generation because of so much of nothing that's released. For each Bioshock or Borderlands, you have 12 Sniper, Operation Flashpoint, Red Faction, Syndicate, Homeland, etc., that I couldn't care less about. Everything is just too damned repetitive of each other.

[SineSwiper]

Kali, Nintendo is the biggest developer (and publishers) of video games in the world. They HAVE to keep releasing systems, their games depend on it. They keep changing what consoles are and make games around them. You and I may not like waggle but A FUCK lot of others did. In fact, the entire reason everyone is down on the Wii U right now is because no one has used the Gamepad to it's potential. People have come to expect innovation from Nintendo and buy their systems because of it. And it's their games that they develop that drives them.

Zeus, can you quit cheerleading for Nintendo right now? Nintendo is not going to sleep with you, I promise.

Oddly enough, Seeker is speaking sanely about Nintendo on this thread.

[Eric]

Villager is instant S-Tier in Smash Bros.

[SineSwiper]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/new ... 55/740.gif

Villager is instant S-Tier in Smash Bros.

wat?

[Blotus]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/new ... 55/740.gif

Villager is instant S-Tier in Smash Bros.

wat?

It's a video game.

[Flip]

If Nintendo actually went that route with the VIllager it would be hilarious. But, i bet he will be just cute and forgettable, maybe they have their art team doing massive edits as we speak, though. Funny meme.

[Zeus]

Kali, Nintendo is the biggest developer (and publishers) of video games in the world. They HAVE to keep releasing systems, their games depend on it. They keep changing what consoles are and make games around them. You and I may not like waggle but A FUCK lot of others did. In fact, the entire reason everyone is down on the Wii U right now is because no one has used the Gamepad to it's potential. People have come to expect innovation from Nintendo and buy their systems because of it. And it's their games that they develop that drives them.

Zeus, can you quit cheerleading for Nintendo right now? Nintendo is not going to sleep with you, I promise.

Oddly enough, Seeker is speaking sanely about Nintendo on this thread.

Quote taken out of context does not make your point

And I don't see Seek's posts, I never have any idea what he says

[Zeus]

Microshaft (not Nintendo) says "comparing specs is useless"

http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-execu ... ss-6410875

[SineSwiper]

Microshaft (not Nintendo) says "comparing specs is useless"

http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-execu ... ss-6410875

Why not? Last generation, they won the war, even if they didn't have the best hardware. (PS4 generally had better specs.)

Hell, if you want to toss in the casual market, the Wii won the war with the worse hardware.

[Zeus]

Microshaft (not Nintendo) says "comparing specs is useless"

http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-execu ... ss-6410875

Why not? Last generation, they won the war, even if they didn't have the best hardware. (PS4 generally had better specs.)

Hell, if you want to toss in the casual market, the Wii won the war with the worse hardware.

People seem to slam Nintendo for saying the same thing. I was just showing how Microshaft is now using the exact same words

[SineSwiper]

People seem to slam Nintendo for saying the same thing. I was just showing how Microshaft is now using the exact same words

Maybe, though the gap between the Wii and the 360 is miles beyond the gap between the 360 and the PS4. I mean, not even an HDMI port in a world where HDTVs were quickly becoming the norm. In many ways, the Wii's hardware was barely better than the previous generation.

[Zeus]

People seem to slam Nintendo for saying the same thing. I was just showing how Microshaft is now using the exact same words

Maybe, though the gap between the Wii and the 360 is miles beyond the gap between the 360 and the PS4. I mean, not even an HDMI port in a world where HDTVs were quickly becoming the norm. In many ways, the Wii's hardware was barely better than the previous generation.

So when Nintendo uses the same line to compare the Wii U, which is slightly more powerful than the PS3, to the PS4 and Xbox 360, you won't join the crowd in saying "fuck, Nintendo! Your system is so ancient and weak!"?

[SineSwiper]

No, I'd say "Fuck Nintendo! Your system has no games and that tablet device is dildos!"

Heh, no games and Nintendo... That's only been going on since the N64 days.

[Zeus]

No, I'd say "Fuck Nintendo! Your system has no games and that tablet device is dildos!"

Heh, no games and Nintendo... That's only been going on since the N64 days.

In your opinion. The Wii had everything a Nintendo fan wanted in the first 19 months of the system's release. Gamecube had a lot of great and quirky titles. And the N64s library was smaller, yes, but man, those games were played A LOT.

OK, I'm gonna hold you to that. If I ever see you posting "Nintendo system is underpowered" or anything remotely resembling that with reference to the Wii U, I'm gonna call you on it.

[SineSwiper]

In your opinion. The Wii had everything a Nintendo fan wanted in the first 19 months of the system's release. Gamecube had a lot of great and quirky titles. And the N64s library was smaller, yes, but man, those games were played A LOT.

They still had the least amount of developers during those times. I mean, okay, so Dreamcast and the first Xbox might have had less. But, Sony was killing everybody with the PSX and PS2 so badly that 2nd place was 1st loser.

OK, I'm gonna hold you to that. If I ever see you posting "Nintendo system is underpowered" or anything remotely resembling that with reference to the Wii U, I'm gonna call you on it.

Well, now that they have an HDMI port, it's not a huge deal. Not jumping on the HD bandwagon early enough was one of their biggest mistakes, but they were opting for the cheapest platform, anyway.