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  • Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
 #164142  by Don
 Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:49 pm
So I decided to play SWTOR again and it asked me for a one time password on the same computer I've always played on, so I put the password in and looked it up and apparently this is something they're always doing that unless you buy a security key thingy. Now I know how the two factor authentication works but I'm not going to use one of those things unless it's free. Security, as far as I'm concerned, is a cost to the company not the customer. Even if I did stupidly gave someone my password to someone else I do expect them to clean it up, since in the reverse situation when a company had some massive data breech which seems to happen every other day, you sure don't see them giving everyone a refund for selling your information to everyone on the Internet. I'm not expecting much in terms of what the company will do, just the standard restore stuff if it needs to come down to that. I remember seeing a site that talks about gaming security that points out "Password1" is sufficient as a password for your Amazon accont, which probably has more useful stuff for someone to steal compared to your gaming account. My bank account doesn't require me to do a ritual each time I need to pay my bills, but apparently to play a game we're supposed to put up with these ridiculous constrains because hackers surely are more interested in stealing our gold than our credit card numbers.

I mean, I know two-factor authentication is good, so the company should pay for it. In anything that can easily be tied to a box sale you should just ship people one of those if they pay $50 for your overpriced game. It's no different than how most companies now run wellness programs for employees because they figured out that if you're unfit and then go on disability leave that's going to cost a lot more than the cost of of a wellness program. The stolen/hacked account is obviously a very large expense for any company to deal with since you got to spend time and end up with a lot of angry customers, so why not be proactive? I'd think with every random game demanding you to buy a security key mass production should've easily gotten the cost of these things to a trivial amount, and even if not I'm pretty sure a simple cost benefit analysis is still in favor of that. I remember a study on WoW saying how they changed their policy from just unconditionally give out a welfare kit to anyone who claims to have an account hacked because it's not worth the time to figure out whether you're actually lying, so it seems like it'd still be in their favor as long as you've some way to identify paying accounts (slightly trickier in F2P games but hardly insurmountable). It seems like gaming companies thinks if they repeat the 'security is your problem' enough times people might really believe that, but that's absurd as long as your bank account requires significnatly less protection compared to your gaming account. It's clear that security is supposed to be the company's problem and if they did a reasonable job at it then it mostly works (until there's a massive data breech but that wouldn't have anything to do with security key to begin with).
 #164143  by Shrinweck
 Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:45 pm
The two factor device they sell you isn't a mandatory part of their two factor auth - it's just something for someone who doesn't have a smart phone or wants a dumb trinket. SWTOR has free two factor authentication if you have a smart phone-type product. You can also run their authentication on a shell program on your desktop if you were so inclined. I'm not sure why they don't just support it on a desktop in the first place. If someone jacked my computer and their target is my MMORPG character then I just won the lottery.
 #164152  by kali o.
 Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:35 pm
SWTOR is extremely annoying to log into. I have a password, an email and secret questions - the fuck do I need an app or "one time" passkeys for?

It is absolutely obnoxious.
 #164161  by Don
 Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:45 pm
I know at least another game where you have to enter a PIN number on some kind of virtual keypad that changes position of the number each time, e.g. it could be

1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9

or

1 4 7
2 5 8
3 6 9

that way even if someone has a keylogger they can't deduce your PIN, at least that's the theory goes, so when someone hacked into your computer you know that even though they can steal everything else, they won't get your account!

The two-factor authenitication works but it's annoying. It's based on something you have and what if you lose the item? There's a reason why you don't need this kind of security to log into your bank account because people would just find another bank that doesn't bother them with these stupid mechanism. Yes people are stupid and that's why they pay the company to make sure there's some reasonable recovery mechanism after you stupidly gave away your account information. The funny thing is that after all this fancy stuff, if you did say lose your security key they'd probably just ask you your secret question, which is likely the least secure part of security if you answered it truthfully because most of that stuff you can just find online now, and of course if you didn't answer truthfully it's just another password.
 #164162  by Shrinweck
 Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:48 pm
Aion did the rotating virtual keypad... I want to say someone else did too... Rift?
 #164242  by Don
 Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:24 pm
So I was talking to my brother about this who does have a security key and he was trying to get back into SWTOR but the key no longer works on the newer version of iPhone, so he called Bioware and they told him to log onto the site and select the 'remove security key' option which, of course, requires the security key. Now obviously reads like a page of 'my Internet is down' and support tell you to see the solution is on a website, but if you were able to remove your security key with just a password, then how secure is that? I guess they'll ask you the secret question but those are awfully weak in terms of security if the person attempting to get into the account knows anything about you.