Fuck Dexter Season 8

[Eric]

First episode, tempt tempt tempt!

Or you can wait until October 2, 2011.

Who among you has the will to wait?!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GZZM9FS2
http://www.fileserve.com/file/ND7gCnF

[Shrinweck]

Has anyone else noticed how Dexter ALWAYS leaks its first episode? I feel like I recall season three or four being leaked in in its entirety before most of it even aired.

[Zeus]

Always? Or do you mean twice, once for the first ep of 4 or 5 (can't remember which), which was a week early, and once for the last two eps of 4

It's more to do with previews sent out to media / voters / advertisers / etc than anything. I doubt Sho is cryin', don't really hurt them that much.

[Shrinweck]

Looked this up... season two had leaks, season three had leaks, and season four had leaks.

I'm not calling 'conspiracy' or that it's hurting them. I'm saying this show leaks like a god damn sieve

Edit: The first episode leak of House was better.

[Shellie]

Ive been getting DVDs of their first 2 eps every season from where I work I highly doubt they care since they send us STACKS of them. They do the same for various SHO series.

[Eric]

11 days to Season 7, and no leak. I am disappoint.

[SineSwiper]

11 days to Season 7, and no leak. I am disappoint.

I'm not. Fucking shut up about spoilers, yo. I don't want even a stupid frowny face.

[Zeus]

11 days to Season 7, and no leak. I am disappoint.

You are Jack's face of disappointment? :-)

[Eric]

11 days to Season 7, and no leak. I am disappoint.

I'm not. Fucking shut up about spoilers, yo. I don't want even a stupid frowny face.

There's...not a single spoiler in this thread lol.

[Flip]

I hear Dexter kills people, almost gets caught, tries to stop killing people, and is ultimately a good guy in this season.

I think i am a few season behind on this show, i dont get Showtime.

[Shrinweck]

Spoiler: show

:(

[Zeus]

I hear Dexter kills people, almost gets caught, tries to stop killing people, and is ultimately a good guy in this season.

I think i am a few season behind on this show, i dont get Showtime.

In Canada we don't either. Thank the Lord for torrents

[Blotus]

$5 says he spends a good deal of the season talking about his DARK PASSENGER in voice over.
Also, Bautista and LaGuerta will be annoying characters who never learn, Quinn will be an asshole, Masuka will be a creep, and Deb will swear a lot.

Sorry to be a downer. This is just one series I think should have ended by now.

[Flip]

Sorry to be a downer. This is just one series I think should have ended by now.

And it used to be so good.

[Zeus]

They're only signed on through Season 8 as it stands. I will concede the best season was 4 but 5 and 6 were still good, just not as good as 4. We'll see how 7 and 8 go. Let's hope they end with a bang and not a wimper

[SineSwiper]

There's...not a single spoiler in this thread lol.

Not talking about now. Talking about earlier, twice, for two different series.

I fucking hate frowny faces. It's like you put a frowny face and a picture of Dumbledore, you fucking know what that means.

[Shrinweck]

Okay my criticism with this show aside I'm actually looking forward to the episode tomorrow. I really do not give a shit about any character but Dexter and Debra any more, though, and even that interest is waning.

[Blotus]

Spoiler: show

[Eric]

Episode fucking owned.

This season is promising, extremely promising.

[Shrinweck]

So yeah I was real non-committal about continuing to watch this show for most of this new episode but the ending happened like how I wanted it to begin, so I guess I'm in for another season.

Waiting in anticipation for a flashback/dream of

Spoiler: show

Doakes calling Dexter a motherfucker.

[Zeus]

We'll see

Spoiler: show

how they end up playing the LaGuerta angle. I don't know how long Deb is gonna go along with Dex but it'll be interesting to watch

[Shrinweck]

The latest episode was my favorite in a very long time. Minimal annoying side character usage and even their stuff was well done. Just Dexter doing his thing and actual character growth which is super rare in this show where he basically learns some meaningless life lesson that never gets brought up ever again like just about any lame cop procedural. So far this season has been an interesting deviation from what was becoming an incredibly stale formula. Hope they keep it up.

[Zeus]

The latest episode was my favorite in a very long time. Minimal annoying side character usage and even their stuff was well done. Just Dexter doing his thing and actual character growth which is super rare in this show where he basically learns some meaningless life lesson that never gets brought up ever again like just about any lame cop procedural. So far this season has been an interesting deviation from what was becoming an incredibly stale formula. Hope they keep it up.

The real question becomes.....

Spoiler: show

does Deb let Dexter loose and get him to hunt this mob boss after she figures out he's out of her jurisdiction and he's gonna get off? It looks like they're not doin' a serial killer this year which is kinda nice, that was getting a bit stale even though I thought they'd done it well. But this is linked to the stripper's death (how long before she finds out he killed Victor?) which is linked to the cop's death, so they'll be on the case for sure. And if the mob boss figures out it is Dexter (I'm not sold on that from the preview....yet) and he's after him, Deb is gonna at least know about it to some level.

As for other storylines this year, they'd better do something with Lewis soon. I honestly don't want that hanging like that around all season, it's kinda irritating. And LaGuerta barking up the Doakes tree? Are they gonna use her and her personal relationship with Doakes as a way of eventually leading to Dex going on the run? Who knows but I hope it doesn't take up too much screen time this season, that's more for next season. And Dex better not to go on the run this season, I don't want a whole season of him getting hunted, that would suck. And I'm starting to not really like Quinn, they seem to be finding things for him to do (falling for a freakin' stripper, really? How original.....). Either find something better or regulate him to Angel- or Matsuka-level screen time.

There's serious potential for Deb becoming a long-time accessory and working with Dexter to "do good killings", which would be an interesting thing to have going into next season as well. If it ends up being the last season as expected, they could have a lot of fun closing that off. Leaves a ton of options (does Dex protect Deb and distance himself from her? Is she considered an accessory by whomever finds out? Is there a manhunt or does he just disappear?).

[Shrinweck]

Spoiler: show

Deb joining Dexter or turning a blind eye to him goes against everything her character stands for and basically does nothing but show how full of shit their Father was, which is kind of a viable path for the show to go down, but if it goes down that path Dexter may as well get cured of his addiction while they're at it. Debra wavering on her stance against Dexter murdering people would basically ruin her character as she is. There's really no series if Dexter ends up getting fingered by LaGeurta and gets hunted. Debra passing him information from her position to murder criminals while Dexter is on the run has to be one of the shittiest premises that they could come up with for the future of the show, so I'm hoping that this isn't the case.

My WAG is that Louis will play into LaGuerta's investigation some how, but him being a repeat of what happened to Doakes seems too easy. Louis keeping a folder of all his madness should play into the story here since that seems so convenient as a plot device to discredit him/prove his guilt later.

Quinn looks sickly. He lost so much weight in his face that it's hard to look at him. If he gets involved with the stripper there's a case to be made that he's going to get murdered this season.

Harrison ties Dexter to the area since a show with him on the run with baby in tow seems unfeasible to me. He needs the police connections in order to murder criminals, so without that the show either has to move towards him being cured or what would likely be a flimsy premise of him running around Miami.

The show can only end in so many ways (probably), with Dexter in prison, dead, or cured and living his life in peace.

[Zeus]

Spoiler: show

Deb is already turning a blind eye, that's why she's trying to "cure" him, it's the only way she can, in her mind, deal with conflicting feelings (turn in her brother, the serial killer, as she should as a cop vs turning in her brother, the only person she loves in multiple ways).

What I was referring to is her mentality as a cop. She wants to do the right thing and if she gets hampered by jurisdiction/red tape - which she's gonna run to much more as a lieutenant - she may use Dexter as another option to "do what's right". Puts her down a morally ambiguous path but easily justified.

LaGuerta unveiling Dexter is something that's a real possibility. Yes, he'll try to pin it on Lewis. But if Lewis tries it first, even if he fails and Deb backs Dex, it may still put the doubt in LaGuerta's mind. That'll lead into next year

[Shrinweck]

I've never noticed Dexter drives a Ford Escape. A nice touch, if a bit heavy handed.

[Zeus]

Soo.....

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Is Helena gonna become the new super-Lumen where she not only accepts Dexter for what he is but also becomes his partner-in-crime? Certainly seems to be the angle they were playin' in the preview for the next ep.

If they were to go down that path, it would be interesting to see how Deb likes it. She may wanna protect Dexter, or at least turn a blind eye. But if he has a new girlfriend and Deb finds out she knows what Dexter's like, is that her breaking point where she's willing to take everyone down, including herself?

[Zeus]

Sure looks like it.....

Spoiler: show

Based on the end of ep 6 and the preview of ep 7, they're being relatively predictable with both Deb and Helena right now. I'm not sure I liked exactly "how" he and Helena got together and I'm sure they'll be playin' two different angles with her the rest of the season: 1) is she actually tryin' to lure Dexter in to kill him herself? and 2) Are they gonna trust each other to the point where Dexter actually wants to keep her around? Honestly, I hope there's more to it than that.

And I'm not so sure I like how Dexter handled her. Why is it that she's even attracted to him? Wouldn't it have been better for them to spend at least an extra episode feeling each other out? The fact that he was gonna get rid of her so fast and his little head changed his mind at the last second was kinda sudden and not particularly well done IMO.

And using Quinn to set Isaac free so Deb can be fed up and sic her brother on him? C'mon, man, they coulda come up with something better than that! Hopefully this means the Quinn character is done after this season, he's surpassed his usefulness. Same with Angel and Matsuka but they're not really doin' anything so it don't matter much.

I'm curious about the LaGuerta angle but not particularly enamored with it....so far. But I think that's purposely done to not confuse people with too many concurrent storylines. I'm willing to see where it goes before passing judgement as I'm sure it'll play into the Deb using Dex to "get justice" sidestory. Does the fact she knows about his history with Isaac come into play?

[Eric]

Fuck this show's terrible/awful last season.

I don't know how many of you are watching but I'm pretty sure that

Spoiler: show

Dexter saying "meh" and walking away from killing Saxton was a metaphor for how the writers felt about doing this last season.

Season 7 was great, and the they had like the best absolute groundwork possible to end Season 8 amazingly, but they said fuck it.

So disappointed.

[Zeus]

Yeah, it's not as good as the previous seasons but I'm OK with how it's been so far. The show's always been about Dexter's personal life and growing as a human being and this season's been tons of that

[Shrinweck]

Holy fuck that was god damned terrible. The one redeeming thing I can take away from that last episode is it frees up Michael C Hall to do decent projects once again.

No pay off with Masuka's daughter. No story purpose for that whole Quinn-Angel promotion shit other than useless human drama. Person who gets promoted over Quinn serves no other purpose in the story. Quinn and Deb rekindling serves no purpose other than to manipulate the audience into being more sad about the way things go. The season was basically all meaningless filler concluding with a stinky brown pile.

Also he takes off her heart monitor as if it's a piece of her fucking life support. And the machine still registers her heartbeat until she dies. What. The. Fuck.

[Zeus]

I was OK with it other than the last minute. That was silly and unnecessary and took away a lot of the strength of the previous 10 minutes. They wanna leave themselves open to bring him back since it's been easily Showcase's best show (I don't care if Homeland won Emmy's, it ain't that great). But you can easily retcon that shit comic-book style later, no reason to do it now.

The 8th season was the weakest but it wasn't terrible by any means. Certainly a fuck-lot better than a lot of "great" shows out there with high ratings....

[Shrinweck]

I admit I was swept up in the final 10 minutes or so and then I realized that it was mostly the music manipulating me, zoned it out, and found out that nothing going on really mattered to me at this point. They may as well have brought back Julia Stiles as the love interest. Just too much by-the-book soap opera stuff and the ending invalidated any lessons the viewer/Dexter could have taken from the show. The comic-book style was always what kind of made the show fun in the end but this was just pure stupid.

[Zeus]

The biggest problem I found was actually about 7 or 8 eps in. I thought Vogel was a great addition to the show early on. The fact that she was the one who consulted Harry about The Code, bringing in the doubt of Harry, who has been the embodiment of his sub-conscious the whole time, and giving him someone else who knew about him but thought of him as an evolution and not a deviant was neat. She was a good tie-together for Deb and Dex and even Hanna (I personally woulda perferred Lumen to hang around for another season or two but at least Hanna was hot :-).

The biggest issue was using her disguised son as a serial killer to end the show. It wasn't about that anymore, about Dexter chasing down other serial killers or bad people. The fact that was "evolving" beyond that but led to a lot of Deb's downfall along the way was what it shoulda been about. The impact of the serial killer stuff ended after Colin Hanks in Season 6.

The external crisis really shoulda been the cops not letting go of LaGuerta's murder so easily. Quinn already had some doubts from before, Deb knew and they coulda done a much better job of it eating away at her (leaving the MPD was a bad idea) and making her even sub-consciously lead a trail towards Dex and him having to deal with that. You also have Angel, who was married to LaGuerta, maybe not letting it sit well either and have him nose around, not accepting the "offical" report. The pressure coming from his social network he spent so much time building without them even really knowing woulda fit the show a lot better. You could even bring Hanna back ino the fold and still have that happen.

Introducing Daniel more than halfway through the season as a secondary storyline really undermined his effectiveness. It made Evelyn's death meaningless and even the struggle with Daniel not nearly as effective. The ending of the show was never gonna be about that so why go down that road? They had better options.

Like I said, other than the stupid Red Dragon-type extra ending that ruined the impact of what came before it, I was generally pleased with the last ep. Just not the last minute

[Blotus]

They wanna leave themselves open to bring him back since it's been easily Showcase's best show (I don't care if Homeland won Emmy's, it ain't that great). But you can easily retcon that shit comic-book style later, no reason to do it now.

They would NEVER bring this show back. It was stretched too far as it was. Like many series that get really popular do, this one was just stretched too far. Would have served its legacy better as a 4 or 5 season show (which is about how many good seasons of it there were). Can't get too down on the final couple of seasons though, as they did introduce me to Yvonne Strahovski - which got me on to watching Chuck, which is (into middle of season 2 now) enjoyable.

Speaking of network shows (NBC, ABC, CBS), though we here can rarely come to a consensus on the quality of TV shows, I'm sure we can all agree that network dramas continue to be garbage. NBC's Revolution and CBS's Under The Dome are both pieces of shit. Both of those shows are sold solely off premise, with wooden acting and grade school writing. "I don't know, Blotus, I didn't watch either"... well, don't.

Disagree on comparing Dexter to Homeland. The first two seasons of HL were much stronger than anything I've seen out of Dexter since the John Lithgow season. But the Emmys are a joke anyway - Big Bang Theory continues to get nominated every year.



Also, can't remember if this was poster here before or not:

[Zeus]

My bud and I have watched all available eps of Homeland (including Season 3 ep 1 a couple weeks ago) and we're barely hanging on to that show. Danes is WAAAAY overacting in nearly every scene she's in, Brody's family all deserve to die, and the show generally does bland plot points. It'll take a lot of cleaning up in the next few eps for us to continue watching that show

Colin Hanks' serial killer (the one who saw Edward James Almos - Admiral Adama - as his sub-conscious) was great in Season 6 of Dexter. And the way that season ends is awesome. That whole season was about as good as the Trinity season IMO. And the way they had LaGuerta chasing him down and Hanna and that stuff in Season 7 was pretty good too. Season 5 was always gonna be a letdown after Trinity and they didn't even try to introduce a big serial killer that year (if you remember, it was a group of guys) but the show recovered well considering the impact of Season 4 overall.

The biggest issue with this season was that the direction they took, by not really having to deal with pressures from the social world he's been struggling to create and going with just another serial killer instead, undermined what the last few seasons was about. Since Miguel in Season 3, the show's been more about Dexter's growth and assimilation into "normal" society than about the serial killer stuff. The reason Trinity was so great is because of how impactful he was in Dexter's "normal" life. That's why the show was able to keep going beyond 4 or 5 seasons and still be effective. Forgetting about that is what made this season so bland overall

I haven't seen Marvel: Agents of SHIELD yet. Let's hope that reverses the slump network TV has had since 24 ended. Sadly, the bland disease afflicting network TV is starting to affect the specialty channel (sickest is AMC...by far). Let's hope Netflix has built up an immunity

[Chris]

finally finished it up a couple days ago and wow. It legitimately ruined the entire show for me. It's not often something can corrupt an entire work with one bad season but seriously...it made me think less of the show on a whole....that was terrible terrible television and writing

[zoeyku]

I'm not calling 'conspiracy' or that it's hurting them.