Sunni militant group ISIS captures half of Iraq and Syria

[Julius Seeker]

To give a bit of a background, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, they are a fundamentalist extremist militant rebel group who are in opposition to the Assad regime in Syria, the current Iraqi government, Shia Islam, and Iran. They have captured several major cities, performed numerous executions, and have caused millions to flee Eastward across the Tigris, deeper into Shiite territory. Their goal is to form a new Shi-ite state run under Sharia law, rather than just replace the governments in existing states.



Just a comment on this above video - I think he is a little confused as to what a Caliphate is. A Caliphate wouldn't just be a localized Empire among Arabic nations existing in some portion of the Middle East; the Caliphate would be an Empire ruled by the Caliph, who would reign as the successor of Mohammed, and the leader of ALL Islamic people.

[Shrinweck]

I'm going to go ahead and put it out there that I'm against militants executing civilians. I know some of you may disagree with me, but I just felt like I needed to make my position known.

[kali o.]

I'm going to go ahead and put it out there that I'm against militants executing civilians. I know some of you may disagree with me, but I just felt like I needed to make my position known.

I will take the alternative position...for kicks and because I honestly don't give a shit what happens in that backwards part of the world.

[SineSwiper]

The Kurds have a very real possibility of creating their own country, if they can fend off ISIS and maintain some stability.

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A bit of advice...

ISIS is a false Islamic front group run by Israeli Special Intelligence Services - aka Mossad - which it is an acronym for.

Like al-Qaeda before it, its leadership is Western-financed and funded; and meant to provide a pretext for the continuing occupation of Iraq, Libya, and Syria, and to draw attention away from the United States and Israel and their role in creating and fostering the present Syrian civil war.

Further links that may be of interest to you:

Canadian thinktank GlobalResearch explores links between the CIA and "ISIS": http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-domes ... ry/5387874
Rupert Murdoch and allies in the Rothschild family eye disputed Golan Heights oil: http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/ ... othschild/

[kali o.]

Ugh....false flag, false flag! Airplane fuel cant burn that hot. It wasnt a plane!!!

....stop.

[Shrinweck]

Hmmm.

[Replay]

Hiya, kali. Long time no see.

[Replay]

Sorry if the truth bothers some of you.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/10/07 ... can-rally/

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You'll note disturbing ties between the apparel of the white power groups in Israel right now, and "ISIS".

That's not an accident.

But you have to be ready to actually see it. You have to be willing to open your mind, and realize that I'm not lying to you; but that cable news does every day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

[Shrinweck]

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I guess I spent my time off befriending a few people in the intelligence community for nothing.

You fine gentlemen and ladies have a good day.

[Eric]

I guess I spent my time off befriending a few people in the intelligence community for nothing.

You fine gentlemen and ladies have a good day.

WHO ARE YOU? lol.

[Shrinweck]

I think it's mental. But without any reintroduction and just jumping into these super dead threads with the same shit that always made us roll our eyes just makes it seem like some random lunatic who just happened onto the site :D

Oh, I'm sorry, it isn't just the same old stuff. Now it's the same old stuff with anti-Semitic vibes. Sorry, man, not buying it. Not going to buy it. Youtube links as proof are a joke. You might as well be linking wikipedia. Oh. Wait. I'd like to show you more respect for your argument but, come on, jumping STRAIGHT to this out of literally NOWHERE. Can't do it.

[kali o.]

Oh, I'm sorry, it isn't just the same old stuff. Now it's the same old stuff with anti-Semitic vibes.

Just so we are clear, that is the same old stuff.

That said, I am happy to read Mental's brand of crazy. I kinda hoped he got better during his time off, but if not, I am still entertained by him.

[Shrinweck]

Heh I guess that must have preceded my activity here starting in 2009 or whenever it was. Or I just did my best to ignore it.

[Replay]

I'd hoped you guys "got better" too, quite frankly.

I'd hoped this community wasn't still bearing a grudge against me for things that happened three, five, or even seven years ago now.

No luck. But I'm just as happy to hang out until a few dim lights brighten their wiring here. I don't hate you all; even if some of you hate me rather profoundly.

[Replay]

Oh, I'm sorry, it isn't just the same old stuff. Now it's the same old stuff with anti-Semitic vibes.

It is because I AM Jewish that I protest Israeli war crimes....even if you can't think outside of the box to realize it, Shrin. This isn't how Moses taught us all to behave.

You dish it out; but can you take it? You accuse me of "anti-Semitism"; but I am more Jewish than you are, last I checked. And Moses certainly never commanded me to drop bombs on these children and their friends.



Atlanta, where you are from, is more genuinely anti-Semitic than I could ever be. And there have been Jews who protested Israel since the dawn of the Zionist experiment. Criticism of Israel is not "anti-Semitism". I have both Ashkenaz blood and Lebanese blood in me...and it kills me to watch the Zionists and the jihadists out at it, again and again and again. The Israeli military lies and is dishonest...the Arabs are in turn violent and unrepentant...in fact, they all are dishonest, violent, and unrepentant.

It's not very pretty. Do you know how Israel was founded? I won't bother you much to recall the real history of the founding of Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

Really - so help me God, I'm just here because I have listened to this community sit around and attack me behind my back long enough. I have been promoting peace for years, and years, and I'd like something more than just to have to watch people who were once my friends treat me as if I'm the enemy here.

I do have friends in intelligence now; but I don't particularly enjoy dragging those connections out or putting any of those people at risk.

I will tell you this; I have not been told by any of them to date that I am wrong, I promise. There is a LOT going on in America right now, and not a lot of it is very kind. The Arab-Israeli war is real; the AIPAC lobbying and corruption is real.

You can look, or not; but don't refuse to look, then sit around for years here talking trash about me behind my back. I've seen the threads about me.

[Shrinweck]

Not really feeling the need to respond in full to someone whose main response to me is how Jewish I am not and the fact that the place I live has an anti-Semitic history - as if not only do I live here but I've had a hand in the numerous Jewish lynchings that have occurred in the area before I was born. Enjoy your 'argument' win! I will not be opening this thread again because I obviously can't 'take it.'

My time with the Jewish part of my family taught me that Jews tend not to seriously say things along the lines of "I am more Jewish than you are." What a thing to even say. As if it even began to serve to reinforce your point.

Also I haven't talked shit behind your back here at all. You make it out as if we have a weekly thread about what you're getting up to. I don't even think you get mentioned in a POST once a year these days. Let alone threads PLURAL.

[Zeus]

The resident Arab will stay clear of this conversation (just happened across it now)......

[kali o.]

The resident Arab will stay clear of this conversation (just happened across it now)......

I am more arab than you. I also have close connections in the arab monarchy but I don't want to divulge my sources.

Back on topic...who is talking about Mental? I think he was mentioned a year and half ago, when someone thought he was Crono. Before that, like 3 years ago. Did I miss a thread?

[Replay]

You did miss a thread. Flippers was pissed about something or other, and calling me a "potential terrorist", a year or two ago.

I have been calling for peace for five years. I did not love this.

Quite frankly - if it's the old discussion where I flipped out on you all over your refusal to excise "homo" from the language here; I'd rather talk it out than let it keep coloring the discussion.

The intervening years have taught me the value of supporting all kinds of free speech; most particularly when I disagree with it.

[kali o.]

You did miss a thread. Flippers was pissed about something or other, and calling me a "potential terrorist", a year or two ago.

One person mentioned you years ago and that's "sit[ting] around for years here talking trash about me behind my back. I've seen the threads..." ?

Ha! I am curious though -- mind linking the thread(s) in question.

[Replay]

Probably a dozen people joined in. I didn't bookmark it. You are more than welcome to search the archives if you like.

[Replay]

There have been two or three "remember that crazy fuck Mental?" threads since I left.

I watch them with a mixture of bemusement and frustration; but when I get called a "potential terrorist", that's a line regarding libel I feel I have to stay on top of. This is an era where people get thrown in prison for nothing at all.

[kali o.]

There have been two or three "remember that crazy fuck Mental?" threads since I left.

I watch them with a mixture of bemusement and frustration; but when I get called a "potential terrorist", that's a line regarding libel I feel I have to stay on top of. This is an era where people get thrown in prison for nothing at all.

I searched "potential terrorist" and the last thread involving you was when you were still here (potential closure of truther..."). Sorry...you are going to have to link this thread for me. Should be easy, since it is occurring with such regularity

PS - I am really not expecting much -- maybe Flip mentioned you once for a laugh years ago in a "remember when" moment. Still I want to see it. And in Flip's defense, you seem the EXACT type of person I'd expect to be involved in overseas terrorism recruitment.

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"And in Flip's defense, you seem the EXACT type of person I'd expect to be involved in overseas terrorism recruitment."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

[Replay]

Is the site I founded supporting "precrime" mentalities now? "You seem like a criminal to me" - and it's all because you don't like me? Y'all been torrenting Minority Report or something?

Grim, kal. And here I was hoping to bury that hatchet. I call for peace as often as anyone here; probably more often.

[Replay]

You disagreeing with me politically is not an excuse for you to lie about me in a dangerous way.

I must have REALLY hurt some feelings here for you all to be bearing these grudges as much as seven years after the initial fight.

[kali o.]

Mental: Hey guys, here is some crazy conspiracy shit! Look at me!

Kali: *Looks at Mental*

Mental: Screw you, why are you guys always looking at me!? You think after seven years you'd let that shit go and not be obsessed with me! The head of the CIA is my uncle, btw.

....

I still would like you to link that thread from Flip. I am genuinely curious whether it said what you think it does, and if it was even remotely recent.

[Eric]

wtf is going on in this thread? Wait is that a meme....let me find a picture!



This might be premature, but I'm counting on you guys!

[Julius Seeker]

No matter how Your relationship is with certain members Mental, you're always going to be a part of this 17 year old family.

[Replay]

kali : No, the head of the CIA is not my uncle - but the former head of the FDIC was my grandfather. I am getting tired of being hated because I know things you do not because of my family connections. Do you know that at one point I used to believe you were actually an intelligent person?

Seeker: I appreciate it, man. I always loved the camaraderie here before these silly fights destroyed it all.

[Replay]

Did you forget who my grandfather was, kal?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._William_Seidman

Do you think it's just MAYBE possible that I actually do have connections in U.S. intelligence and know things you do not?

[Replay]

Matter of fact - I'm not going to keep putting my family on the line for all of this. I've gotten threats already over trying to tell people what's really going on - not here, but elsewhere I have. And this isn't even my goddamned war.

I am starting to become rather happy with the idea of getting out of the way instead and simply letting the Israelis and those Arabs partaking of the war against them destroy each other. Lord knows I have tried to stop it; and gotten nothing but grief for my troubles.

There is nothing that both of these sides love more than war; and if I try to stop them from committing it upon each other, they will (and have) simply transfer their hatreds to me instead. I have been trying to stop it for five years, and yet my country has become more brainwashed than ever. I don't have 24-hour cable networks putting out endless propaganda, like Rupert Murdoch does, that can broadcast a steady stream of ignorance that keeps people fearful, blinded, and militaristic. I am one man, and that is all.

If you want to exist in the happy and comfortable world of lies that the cable news makes for you, kali, so be it. I promise you that ISIS is not what you are told it is; but I can only lead a recalcitrant horse to water so many times before I choose to go find one that was properly raised, instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

[Eric]

Dude, even if everything you're saying is true, you have no way to prove it, and nobody on this board is ever going to take you at face value on random conspiracy 101 that only you can prove, and no, random youtube links and wikipedia articles to strengthen your argument aren't going to change anyone's mind.

If you want to post here dude, that's cool, I welcome ya back, but if you're just gonna post stuff like this and demand we take you at face value you're not gonna get that, NOBODY would get that. Most of us honestly don't care enough to argue or invest ourselves in a back and forth with you like that.

[Replay]

You got it, Eric, you pinpointed the problem exactly: most of you honestly don't care enough.

I am tired of becoming a pariah trying to force the issue.

[Replay]

"This Frankenstein-like experiment of arming the alleged freedom-seeking Syrian opposition created the monster that roams the region. ISIS and the U.S. have a curious relationship -- mortal enemies that, at the same time, benefit from some of the same events:

a) Ousting former Iraqi President Nouri al Maliki for his refusal to consent to the continued presence of U.S. troops in his country.

b) Regime change in Syria.

c) Arming the Kurds so they can separate from Iraq, a preliminary move to partitioning Iraq.

What a coincidence for war-profiteering neo-cons and the war industry, which has seen its stock rise since last week's congressional vote to fund the rapid expansion of war. We have met the enemy and he isn't only ISIS, he is us.

Phase two of the war against Syria is the introduction of 5,000 "moderate" mercenaries (as opposed to immoderate ones), who were trained in Saudi Arabia, the hotbed of Wahhabism, at an initial installment cost of $15 billion. These new "moderates" will replace the old "moderates," who became ISIS, just in time for Halloween.

The administration, in the belief that you can buy, rent, or lease friends where they otherwise do not exist, labor under the vain assumption that our newfound comrades-in-arms will remain in place during their three-year employment period, ignoring the inevitability that those "friends" you hire today could be firing at you tomorrow.

One wonders if Saudi training of these moderate mercenaries will include methods of beheading which were popularized by the Saudi government long before their ISIS progeny took up the grisly practice.

The U.S. is being played."

--Senator Dennis Kucinich (D)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j- ... 69964.html

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The U.S. has spent several YEARS arming and funding the same "moderate" rebel groups that "magically" coalesced into ISIS - just in time to coincide with Israel's "Protective Edge" operation.

Such rebel groups are using a known Mossad acronym - Israeli Special Intelligence Services uses the same four letters at times - just as "al-Qaeda" was once a quiet acronym for "al-CIAda" meant to help U.S. spies identify each other in Afghanistan during Operation Cyclone.

The CIA funded Osama in that same operation, for God's sake, once upon a time. This is not even in doubt these days.

Raise up a monster, tell the public you need funds to fight the monster, take THOSE funds, raise up another monster to fight the first one - then by the time you are done, the second monster has become so fearsome that you need a third to fight the remnants of the first two.

And so on.

Into eternity.

The only people who actually profit are the world's arms dealers, who see business dwindle in a peaceful and happy world.

But I'm not going to waste my life trying to get people to wake up, either. I need to save my eardrum leather. I get tired of getting screamed at.

"War is a racket." --Gen. Smedley Butler

[kali o.]

I don't hate you. You are a bonafide nutjob though, arguing in the exact same way you used to. Argument for authority, insulting everyone else who doesn't agree with you and then playing the victim card. You won't be engaging anyone that way. Would have thought your style would have evolved ever so slightly after a few years, at the very least.

By all means, keep posting. It's good for a laugh.

And I am still waiting for those constant threads about you man. I mean, come one, you can comb over public records looking for codes and inconsistencies, but can't link some evidence for the ONE verifiable claim you made? Hell, I believe you, I just want to read Flip's thread.

[Replay]

Smart people sound "crazy" to ignorant people, kali.

And the threads in question are quite real; but I don't see the point of lifting a finger for you at this point, quite frankly.

Why should I go get that thread? So you can play down the role of everyone attacking me and take another few cheap shots as usual?

If it behooves you to believe everything you see on television and be very afraid of da "bad Muswim terrorists", by all means Elmer Fudd it up.

Beauties of a free country, right?

We have scabby realtors down here in the States too. In my experience, your kind is very hard to interest in anything but the profits on the next house you're representing or flipping.

[Replay]

I make points over and over - verifiable ones.

You keep refusing to address them, using the lazy cheat of calling me "crazy" so you don't have to discuss it.

In particular I'd love to hear what your response is to the rather verifiable fact that the United States armed mujahedin terrorists - including bin Laden, then a young Afghani "freedom fighter" - against the Soviet Union from 1979 to 1988 under Operation Cyclone.

You go do that research and give me an answer and maybe I'll look up the threads in question for you.

One of them may have been deleted by Flip or Sine in the spirit of remorse; I did see him asking to delete it after he found out that I saw it and I confronted him on FB about it. I don't know or care; I have too many good things going on in my life right now to spend too much time rehashing it all; though I must be quite the interesting person to take the focus off the real research on beheadings, war, profiteering, and so on, I have to say.

[Replay]

Quite frankly, I'm not here to accumulate another hail of stones. I tried.

You fine people have a good day.

[kali o.]

... though I must be quite the interesting person to take the focus off the real research on beheadings, war, profiteering, and so on, I have to say.

Lol...your narcissism knows no bounds.

Anyways, thanks for taking time out of your busy & important life to try to educate us blind ignoramuses.

[Replay]

Any response on my questions?

[kali o.]

Any response on my questions?

I will answer (easily) when you link the threads.

Chop chop.

[Replay]

1) The one has nothing to do with the other; that's a deflection, because you don't want to try to answer.
2) You have exactly zero change of successfully challenging me to do something for you with an imperative tone and "chop chop". I'm not your bitch, kali. And you call me "narcissistic".

[kali o.]

Its getting you to defend your very first claim, that was about as hyperbolic as it gets. You brought the claim up, not me -- glossing over it is a deflection and I don't blame you.

You attacked a community with your claim, the very community you are *pretending* to want engage (note: talking down to your audience isn't productive). So ya, back it up. I expect you will discover its false, or at the very least exaggerated. Then you can apologize, start again and maybe have a real conversation with people here about whatever is on your mind.

And since this post is getting a little too "productive", let me also state I think you are unwell...and racist. I am still happy to engage you if you begin to communicate like a normal human being. I also speak for no one but myself.

[Replay]

I have been communicating like a "normal human being" this entire time.

You refuse to acknowledge this because the version of history I tell you conflicts with what you are told by television cable news sources, newspapers, and indeed the official government account.

It is your side of the fence here that has already implied that *I* would be capable of domestic terrorism, called me crazy, racist, mentally ill, and worse.

You do not notice these particular cruelties because they seem quite "sane" to you. How would you feel if someone said the same things to you?

To describe the syndrome, Krishnamurti noted that it is no measure of mental health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society. This perpetual atmosphere of fear around "Muslim extremism"; the idea that you can accept what you are told about ISIS by a coalition of corporate news agencies backed by a VERY small number of actual power brokers worldwide without question; the concept of perpetual conflict against terrorism becoming "normalized" along with the gargantuan military spending that goes along with it - those things seem sane to you. They seem quite mad to me.

As for the other claim - it happened to be an aside in the middle of this all; as one I don't really care much about either, at that. I don't care much whether or not certain people here are saying nasty things behind my back. You will note that I posted all of one message about it, in the middle of several here asking you all to investigate ISIS and look behind the veil to see the real backers of these wars; when you questioned me on it I posted another. It's not that big a concern to me.

[Replay]

If Israeli society and the abuses which occurred during Protective Edge are "normal", or more properly "normalized", and not racist to you - to wit, Israeli youth mobs and gangs went around, attacking peace protests, chanting "Death to leftists, Death to Arabs", and were AIDED by the police in these pogroms - but somehow I am racist for pointing out that this is troubling behavior, kali, there's something very wrong here.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/21/i ... ted_dozens