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Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
 #117972  by Imakeholesinu
 Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:46 am
Ok, so Verizon Wireless is going to let me upgrade my phone this coming may (3 months away) and I've been looking for a new phone. I love my Samsung phone right now but since I've changed jobs and am on call pretty much 24/7 365, I need to have a phone that can get e-mail and work with my new Jawbone headset.

What are your experiences with Windows Moblie 6 Pro and Blackberry? I like verizon, even though it is one of the pricier carriers, the service has been nothing but stellar. I think in the two years I've had the service I've experienced 4 dropped calls.

Suggestions?
 #117975  by Imakeholesinu
 Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:52 am
Dutch wrote:Do they have CDMA Blackberries?
Yeah, the Pearl is. A guy at my work has it and he likes it. I'd be using the EVDO network though.

 #117977  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:59 am
That must be new, and yeah, I personally love Blackberries. I certainly say go with the Blackberry. For someone who is on the run a lot, and has a lot of business, it's essential; quite good now with plummeting data prices.

 #117978  by Imakeholesinu
 Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:09 am
Dutch wrote:That must be new, and yeah, I personally love Blackberries. I certainly say go with the Blackberry. For someone who is on the run a lot, and has a lot of business, it's essential; quite good now with plummeting data prices.
I had verizon's data package on my samsung phone for about 3 months while I was living at my grandmother's condo in Saint Charles. It was alright for web browsing, couldn't do much else since there was a 5GB cap on the thing. It was expensive also, $60 a month for slowest DSL speed. I was amazed I could get that speed on my phone though. It was nice to get around work's firewall at the hospital though. :)

 #117980  by Zeus
 Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:49 am
Dutch wrote:That must be new, and yeah, I personally love Blackberries. I certainly say go with the Blackberry. For someone who is on the run a lot, and has a lot of business, it's essential; quite good now with plummeting data prices.
You guys have "plummeting" data prices out there? They're still quite high here.

In May we're gonna see a true "plummeting" of prices when the CRTC opens up half of our airwaves to non-Canadian companies.

 #117990  by Tessian
 Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:23 pm
My company just recently switched from Sprint to AT&T and I got a Blackberry 8820. I love the freakin thing and it's an awesome tool... but I also don't have to pay for it and I know if it wasn't tied into my company's Exchange server I wouldn't want to bother with it.

So if it's going to tie to your company's BES (Blackberry Enterprise Server) then I'd definitely get one of the 8000 series Blackberry's (8820 has wireless which you probably don't need but it's cool), if not I'd go with the Pearl. Don't have much experience with Windows Mobile... but I hear version 6 that just came out is pretty slick compared to 5.

 #117992  by Flip
 Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:39 pm
I have a pearl from Sprint and also love it. Opera mini works really well on it for actual browsing (not phone version of pages) and i have it linked to my work calender, work e-mail, personal e-mails, and there is even a facebook app for it. I'm so in touch, its ridic, but i like it that way.

I think the pearl does a good job of compensating for the lack of full keyboard. Their SureType is even easier than T9 since there are only 2 letters per button. I like the smaller pearl cmpared to the bigger BB's.

 #117993  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:48 pm
Zeus wrote:
Dutch wrote:That must be new, and yeah, I personally love Blackberries. I certainly say go with the Blackberry. For someone who is on the run a lot, and has a lot of business, it's essential; quite good now with plummeting data prices.
You guys have "plummeting" data prices out there? They're still quite high here.

In May we're gonna see a true "plummeting" of prices when the CRTC opens up half of our airwaves to non-Canadian companies.
Rogers' $20 monthly Communicate Package now includes unlimited data. This is across Canada.

 #117994  by Imakeholesinu
 Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:49 pm
Flip wrote:I have a pearl from Sprint and also love it. Opera mini works really well on it for actual browsing (not phone version of pages) and i have it linked to my work calender, work e-mail, personal e-mails, and there is even a facebook app for it. I'm so in touch, its ridic, but i like it that way.

I think the pearl does a good job of compensating for the lack of full keyboard. Their SureType is even easier than T9 since there are only 2 letters per button. I like the smaller pearl cmpared to the bigger BB's.
See, I liked the motorola auto-complete that was on my v600 when I had t-mobile. That was pimp. The t9 stuff on my verizon phone is stupid and it is quicker for me to actually text it out then to have it guess the wrong word.

 #117995  by Flip
 Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:54 pm
Barret wrote:
Flip wrote:I have a pearl from Sprint and also love it. Opera mini works really well on it for actual browsing (not phone version of pages) and i have it linked to my work calender, work e-mail, personal e-mails, and there is even a facebook app for it. I'm so in touch, its ridic, but i like it that way.

I think the pearl does a good job of compensating for the lack of full keyboard. Their SureType is even easier than T9 since there are only 2 letters per button. I like the smaller pearl cmpared to the bigger BB's.
See, I liked the motorola auto-complete that was on my v600 when I had t-mobile. That was pimp. The t9 stuff on my verizon phone is stupid and it is quicker for me to actually text it out then to have it guess the wrong word.
My old samsung T9 did auto complete.... the SureType on the BB does too. Your phone is busted.

 #118000  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:40 pm
Here's what you get for 20 bucks:
Rogers.com wrote:$20 Communicate Value Pack | $20.00/month

Group your wireless essential services and save.

Includes:
Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing
2500 Sent Text Messages
1000 Sent Picture/Video Messages
Voice Mail
Call Display
Name Display
WhoCalled

You save $21/month! PLUS - Your FIRST MONTH IS FREE AND GET 3 MONTHS OF UNLIMITED TEXT AND PICTURE AND VIDEO MESSAGING

Now, Value Pack customers can purchase Caller Ring Trax, Full Detailed Billing or International Text Messaging Plans and Save 33%!!
http://www.rogers.com/web/content/wirel ... comm#start

 #118041  by Tessian
 Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:05 am
You know, when you call Rogers up for tech support, customer support, etc... there's a pretty good chance you're talking to someone who works for my company. They're a pain in the ass though because they don't care to be PCI compliant which makes shit difficult for us. Otherwise they are an awesome client compared to AT&T... fucktards changing shit without saying a word.

 #118053  by Zeus
 Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:12 am
Dutch wrote:Here's what you get for 20 bucks:
Rogers.com wrote:$20 Communicate Value Pack | $20.00/month

Group your wireless essential services and save.

Includes:
Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing
2500 Sent Text Messages
1000 Sent Picture/Video Messages
Voice Mail
Call Display
Name Display
WhoCalled

You save $21/month! PLUS - Your FIRST MONTH IS FREE AND GET 3 MONTHS OF UNLIMITED TEXT AND PICTURE AND VIDEO MESSAGING

Now, Value Pack customers can purchase Caller Ring Trax, Full Detailed Billing or International Text Messaging Plans and Save 33%!!
http://www.rogers.com/web/content/wirel ... comm#start
And how many minutes come with that? Oh, hold on a sec.....

 #118054  by Julius Seeker
 Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:42 am
Zeus wrote:
Dutch wrote:Here's what you get for 20 bucks:
Rogers.com wrote:$20 Communicate Value Pack | $20.00/month

Group your wireless essential services and save.

Includes:
Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing
2500 Sent Text Messages
1000 Sent Picture/Video Messages
Voice Mail
Call Display
Name Display
WhoCalled

You save $21/month! PLUS - Your FIRST MONTH IS FREE AND GET 3 MONTHS OF UNLIMITED TEXT AND PICTURE AND VIDEO MESSAGING

Now, Value Pack customers can purchase Caller Ring Trax, Full Detailed Billing or International Text Messaging Plans and Save 33%!!
http://www.rogers.com/web/content/wirel ... comm#start
And how many minutes come with that? Oh, hold on a sec.....
Unlimited.

 #118070  by Zeus
 Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:00 pm
Dutch wrote:
Zeus wrote:
Dutch wrote:Here's what you get for 20 bucks:
http://www.rogers.com/web/content/wirel ... comm#start
And how many minutes come with that? Oh, hold on a sec.....
Unlimited.
OK, maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but isn't the $20 for his pack an add-on to an existing plan? Which means you're already paying $30+ for 100 minutes daytime and evening and weekends starting at 9pm?

 #118083  by Julius Seeker
 Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:44 pm
Zeus wrote:OK, maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but isn't the $20 for his pack an add-on to an existing plan? Which means you're already paying $30+ for 100 minutes daytime and evening and weekends starting at 9pm?
If by 30+ dollars you mean $6.95 for basic monthly access, then yes. Plus a portion of that goes towards subsidizing a new phone which you can upgrade to after 6 months, the longer you wait after that, the larger the discount. If you have specific people you talk to all the time, $10.00 gives you unlimited 24/7 calling and texting to 5 people.

 #118089  by Zeus
 Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:29 pm
Dutch wrote:
Zeus wrote:OK, maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but isn't the $20 for his pack an add-on to an existing plan? Which means you're already paying $30+ for 100 minutes daytime and evening and weekends starting at 9pm?
If by 30+ dollars you mean $6.95 for basic monthly access, then yes. Plus a portion of that goes towards subsidizing a new phone which you can upgrade to after 6 months, the longer you wait after that, the larger the discount. If you have specific people you talk to all the time, $10.00 gives you unlimited 24/7 calling and texting to 5 people.
Seek, don't fall for the "System Access Fee" bullshit. It started as a scam and has never changed.

That $20 pack doesn't include any airtime minutes. I have more than 5 numbers I want to call, that $10 don't mean much to me.

 #118091  by Julius Seeker
 Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:53 pm
Zeus wrote:Seek, don't fall for the "System Access Fee" bullshit. It started as a scam and has never changed.
How do you live with yourself? You know, paying that scam fee for Internet and all, it must kill you!

Seriously, do you expect them to just give you stuff for free? That's not how the world works.

Zeus wrote:That $20 pack doesn't include any airtime minutes. I have more than 5 numbers I want to call, that $10 don't mean much to me.
You're actually complaining about the price of that package? It's pretty much the sweetest deal on the planet and you are complaining? Are you insane? =P

 #118172  by Zeus
 Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:01 pm
Seek, do you know how the "System Activation Fee" started?

 #118176  by Flip
 Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:26 pm
Dutch wrote:
You're actually complaining about the price of that package? It's pretty much the sweetest deal on the planet and you are complaining? Are you insane? =P
It is a pretty sweet ass deal. I pay $30 a month extra for the Sprint Blackberry Package, which includes unlimited e-mail, texting, web browsing, Sprint TV, Sprint Navigation (which works damn well), and some stupid Sprint OnDemand program that i never use.

Thats tacked onto my $40 plan of 450 regular minutes, unlimited nightime/weekend minutes that start at 7pm, call waiting, caller ID, 3 way, free Sprint-to-Sprint, blah blah.

So, $70 a month, but luckily i get 25% off for working for TimeWarner (AOL).

 #118178  by Lox
 Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:17 pm
Flip wrote:
Dutch wrote:
You're actually complaining about the price of that package? It's pretty much the sweetest deal on the planet and you are complaining? Are you insane? =P
It is a pretty sweet ass deal. I pay $30 a month extra for the Sprint Blackberry Package, which includes unlimited e-mail, texting, web browsing, Sprint TV, Sprint Navigation (which works damn well), and some stupid Sprint OnDemand program that i never use.

Thats tacked onto my $40 plan of 450 regular minutes, unlimited nightime/weekend minutes that start at 7pm, call waiting, caller ID, 3 way, free Sprint-to-Sprint, blah blah.

So, $70 a month, but luckily i get 25% off for working for TimeWarner (AOL).
I'm thinking of adding a similar plan to my AT&T package in the spring and getting a Blackberry (or some kind of smartphone).

 #118182  by Imakeholesinu
 Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:39 pm
I went to the verizon store today and they told me 2 different rates for Blackberry data. If it was personal it was $30 a month for data, if it was corporate it was $45. If I bought the Samsung SCH-i760 it is $45 for data no matter what + my voice plan.

 #118195  by Julius Seeker
 Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:47 am
Zeus wrote:Seek, do you know how the "System Activation Fee" started?
You normally have to pay an activation fee for any service whether it be cable, electricity, phone, or internet. I would say it started so people running the companies involved could get money instead of doing it for free.

 #118206  by Zeus
 Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:52 pm
Dutch wrote:
Zeus wrote:Seek, do you know how the "System Activation Fee" started?
You normally have to pay an activation fee for any service whether it be cable, electricity, phone, or internet. I would say it started so people running the companies involved could get money instead of doing it for free.
Seek, the "System Activation Fee" started as the "Governmental Access Surcharge". It was a bullshit excuse by all of the cellphone providers who implemented it at the same time at the same charge (BTW, this is the very definition "collusion"). They said that the government was charging them this amount ($6.95 back then too, although now the SAF actually fluctuates, it just bottoms out at $6.95) in order to provide the service. I actually had someone at Rogers tell me then when I visited their store in the mall when they were fucking my mom over on her service years ago when they first introduced this bullshit charge.

Some saavy consumers stood up and said "oh really, why then is there no record of this in the public records?". To which the providers said "umm, well, uhh" and changed the name to "System Activation Fee" and gave the whole "to upgrade and provide strong service" bullshit.

Note what happened: the providers colluded to come up with a bullshit excuse to molest their consumers, provided a bold-faced lie to the consumer about the reasons behind it, then, when they were called on that lie, changed the name and continued to charge it anyways.

So let me be very, very clear on this: IT STARTED OUT AS BULLSHIT AND HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING OTHER THAN A BULLSHIT EXCUSE TO TOUCH THE CONSUMERS WHERE THEY PEE. It's really no different than your local grocery store charging you an additional $7 every time you buy groceries for "renovation upgrades". Sit there with a straight face and tell me that you wouldn't be pissed off if that happened. You know as well as I do that you would be fuming. There is no difference here. The providers are just using it as a way to have an additional revenue stream.

And the worst part about it, they sat back and said "whoa, look, we're fucking the cellphone consumers in the ass hard, why aren't we doing it to our hone phone and internet ones as well? They didn't complain when we violated them on cellphones, what's to say they're gonna say anything now? And we've already got the government in our pockets so it's not like we have any excuse not to".

Again, no different, Seek. It's bullshit, period. Every thing else is a bullshit PR excuse to deflect your focus away from the real reason. If you had been following from the beginning like I have you would know it's nothing but bullshit.

 #118243  by Imakeholesinu
 Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:30 pm
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/17/veri ... -packages/


Apparently Verizon and I are on the same wavelength. WHO CARES ABOUT MINUTES GIVE ME FEATURES!!!

 #118252  by Zeus
 Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:06 pm
Barret wrote:http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/17/veri ... -packages/


Apparently Verizon and I are on the same wavelength. WHO CARES ABOUT MINUTES GIVE ME FEATURES!!!
Aren't those expensive?

 #118255  by Imakeholesinu
 Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:38 pm
Zeus wrote:
Barret wrote:http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/17/veri ... -packages/


Apparently Verizon and I are on the same wavelength. WHO CARES ABOUT MINUTES GIVE ME FEATURES!!!
Aren't those expensive?
I'm paying 87 a month for 950minutes and the unlimited txt. 10 more dollars for unlimited on both is a bargin.

 #118272  by Julius Seeker
 Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:55 am
Barret wrote:
Zeus wrote:
Barret wrote:http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/17/veri ... -packages/


Apparently Verizon and I are on the same wavelength. WHO CARES ABOUT MINUTES GIVE ME FEATURES!!!
Aren't those expensive?
I'm paying 87 a month for 950minutes and the unlimited txt. 10 more dollars for unlimited on both is a bargin.
That is a really good deal. Rogers also has the Internet tack on for other packages, it's 7 dollars. Probably better for those who don't send out thousands of texts per month,.

Though that additional 950 minutes is definitely a very sweet deal.

 #118290  by Shellie
 Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:58 am
Geez...

I have Nextel (I get a deal thru work), and I pay about 30 a month for 800 minutes, of which I probably only use 100. I dont text..I dont see the point..and I dont get on the interwebs on my phone.

I couldnt imagine spending 90 a month on a cell phone.

 #118311  by Zeus
 Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:44 pm
Seraphina wrote:Geez...

I have Nextel (I get a deal thru work), and I pay about 30 a month for 800 minutes, of which I probably only use 100. I dont text..I dont see the point..and I dont get on the interwebs on my phone.

I couldnt imagine spending 90 a month on a cell phone.
My thoughts exactly.

If I could get 800 NA minutes for $30 I'd be all over that. To me and my purposes, that's essentially unlimited. It would also provide me with the greatest convenience I need out of a cellphone, unlimited long distance. I pay $10 a month for 1000 minutes NA long distance 24/7 on my home phone and rarely go over 300 minutes.

But up here, $30 - and this is through my CA institute deal - only gets you 200 local minutes, call waiting, display, answering (only 5 messages) and forwarding, and free evenings and weekends starting at 6pm. 30 cents per minute for extra or long distance minutes, no Molestation (System Activation) Fee and no texting or surfing. That's an excellent deal up here too.

But it's still a little expensive IMO particularly since they're forcing you to sign a 3-year contract to get that price. This is why I don't have a cell yet, they're insanely expensive. I read an article over the weekend that said the average monthly bill for a cell up here is $67. Nuts......
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 #118312  by Zeus
 Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:47 pm
What, Seek, no retort? :-)

 #118317  by Flip
 Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:57 pm
While 90 something to me also sounds expensive, i sacrifice a few things that makes my ~$50 cell phone bill bearable. I dont have a land line or cable TV at home, which both added together would easily be over my cell phone bill. Granted, if i wasnt a TimeWarner affiliate it would be $70... which is close to too expensive.

I would rather have all the capabilities/minutes my cell phone has + cable broadband Internet + netflix vs. a land line + cable TV + broadband + some long distance at home phone package. Since my preference is probably cheaper than the alternative, it is a no brainer.

I'm not home enough to enjoy cable TV. Getting shows on Netflix has proven to be perfectly fine. On evenings that i am home, i'm usually surfing the Internet or watching Netflix.

 #118318  by Julius Seeker
 Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:59 pm
Zeus wrote:What, Seek, no retort? :-)
??

 #118352  by Zeus
 Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:46 pm
Dutch wrote:
Zeus wrote:What, Seek, no retort? :-)
??
Scroll up a bit

 #118382  by Julius Seeker
 Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:07 am
Zeus wrote:
Dutch wrote:
Zeus wrote:What, Seek, no retort? :-)
??
Scroll up a bit
What about it? You didn't argue anything.

 #118387  by SineSwiper
 Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:34 am
I miss my $20/mo 100 minute plan on Suncom. My first cell phone, and still the best plan I had.

 #118394  by Lox
 Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:04 am
I use my cell phone a lot, so I need a decent amount of minutes. I have the cheapest landline I can ($12/month + I have DSL) just for an answering machine. I use my cell phone for all calls and I prefer that since I can have it with me anywhere I go.

I like the idea of being constantly connected. I don't think it's ever annoying. Just because someone calls doesn't mean you have to answer, for instance. :)

 #118397  by Flip
 Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:48 am
Lox wrote:I like the idea of being constantly connected. I don't think it's ever annoying. Just because someone calls doesn't mean you have to answer, for instance. :)
I completely agree, i dont feel bad screening, even when i know that they know i'm screening them. In fact, that mentatlity has gotten much more tolerable over the years, as more and more people are constantly connected. Its ok to want your privacy, the phone ringing doesnt demand anything.

 #118407  by Zeus
 Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:06 pm
Lox wrote:I use my cell phone a lot, so I need a decent amount of minutes. I have the cheapest landline I can ($12/month + I have DSL) just for an answering machine. I use my cell phone for all calls and I prefer that since I can have it with me anywhere I go.

I like the idea of being constantly connected. I don't think it's ever annoying. Just because someone calls doesn't mean you have to answer, for instance. :)
I disagree. A cellphone is as much a responsibility as a convenience. And not just for emergencies. Another reason I really don't want one very badly, I'd feel obligated to answer it (if I ever gave away the number that is)

 #118408  by Zeus
 Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:08 pm
Dutch wrote:
Zeus wrote:
Dutch wrote: ??
Scroll up a bit
What about it? You didn't argue anything.
Oh, well, didn't realized you agree completed on the SAF being nothing but a bullshit excuse by the cell companies to touch you where you pee.

You should have told me, I wouldn't have gone through the effort of explaining it then.

 #118409  by Lox
 Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:17 pm
Zeus wrote:
Lox wrote:I use my cell phone a lot, so I need a decent amount of minutes. I have the cheapest landline I can ($12/month + I have DSL) just for an answering machine. I use my cell phone for all calls and I prefer that since I can have it with me anywhere I go.

I like the idea of being constantly connected. I don't think it's ever annoying. Just because someone calls doesn't mean you have to answer, for instance. :)
I disagree. A cellphone is as much a responsibility as a convenience. And not just for emergencies. Another reason I really don't want one very badly, I'd feel obligated to answer it (if I ever gave away the number that is)
You sound like Uncle Ben. "With a lot of cell phone minutes, comes a lot of responsibility!" :) Having a cell phone doesn't mean I am at everyone's beck and call 24/7. That's what voicemail is for after all. There are times when I want to be reachable when I'm not home and times when I don't. The nice thing about a cell phone is that I get to choose those times.

 #118411  by Julius Seeker
 Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:08 pm
Zeus wrote:
Dutch wrote:
Zeus wrote: Scroll up a bit
What about it? You didn't argue anything.
Oh, well, didn't realized you agree completed on the SAF being nothing but a bullshit excuse by the cell companies to touch you where you pee.

You should have told me, I wouldn't have gone through the effort of explaining it then.
Then I'll just repeat myself:

"You normally have to pay an activation fee for any service whether it be cable, electricity, phone, or internet. I would say it started so people running the companies involved could get money instead of doing it for free."

and add

The activation fee for most services is more than 7 dollars. Usually many times more.

 #118425  by Zeus
 Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:25 pm
Lox wrote:
Zeus wrote:
Lox wrote:I use my cell phone a lot, so I need a decent amount of minutes. I have the cheapest landline I can ($12/month + I have DSL) just for an answering machine. I use my cell phone for all calls and I prefer that since I can have it with me anywhere I go.

I like the idea of being constantly connected. I don't think it's ever annoying. Just because someone calls doesn't mean you have to answer, for instance. :)
I disagree. A cellphone is as much a responsibility as a convenience. And not just for emergencies. Another reason I really don't want one very badly, I'd feel obligated to answer it (if I ever gave away the number that is)
You sound like Uncle Ben. "With a lot of cell phone minutes, comes a lot of responsibility!" :) Having a cell phone doesn't mean I am at everyone's beck and call 24/7. That's what voicemail is for after all. There are times when I want to be reachable when I'm not home and times when I don't. The nice thing about a cell phone is that I get to choose those times.
I do understand this point of view and I can see why so many follow it on a logical level. I just disagree. There is merit to both sides, I'm not sayin' you're wrong. I just see it as a responsibility which is one of the reasons I actually don't want one.

 #118426  by Zeus
 Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:27 pm
Dutch wrote:
Zeus wrote:
Dutch wrote: What about it? You didn't argue anything.
Oh, well, didn't realized you agree completed on the SAF being nothing but a bullshit excuse by the cell companies to touch you where you pee.

You should have told me, I wouldn't have gone through the effort of explaining it then.
Then I'll just repeat myself:

"You normally have to pay an activation fee for any service whether it be cable, electricity, phone, or internet. I would say it started so people running the companies involved could get money instead of doing it for free."

and add

The activation fee for most services is more than 7 dollars. Usually many times more.
So, in your mind, the topic was changed from the monthly SAF the cellphone companies use to fist the consumers to a standard one-time activation fee?

That's complete shit too since literally all they do is hit a button but that's not what we were discussing.

 #118427  by Julius Seeker
 Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:48 pm
Zeus wrote:
Dutch wrote:
Zeus wrote: Oh, well, didn't realized you agree completed on the SAF being nothing but a bullshit excuse by the cell companies to touch you where you pee.

You should have told me, I wouldn't have gone through the effort of explaining it then.
Then I'll just repeat myself:

"You normally have to pay an activation fee for any service whether it be cable, electricity, phone, or internet. I would say it started so people running the companies involved could get money instead of doing it for free."

and add

The activation fee for most services is more than 7 dollars. Usually many times more.
So, in your mind, the topic was changed from the monthly SAF the cellphone companies use to fist the consumers to a standard one-time activation fee?

That's complete shit too since literally all they do is hit a button but that's not what we were discussing.
The system activation fee is only paid once. You are mistaking it for the network access fee which is something completely different. Though you are telling me the only reason you aren't buying a cell phone is because you don't want to pay a monthly base fee of something as trivial as $6.95? Think of it this way, $6.95+$7.00+$15.00 and you have unlimited access to the Internet, unlimited longdistance calling and messaging to 5 people (expanded to 10 through certain special offers) 24/7; everywhere you go.

 #118429  by Zeus
 Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:21 pm
Dutch wrote:The system activation fee is only paid once. You are mistaking it for the network access fee which is something completely different. Though you are telling me the only reason you aren't buying a cell phone is because you don't want to pay a monthly base fee of something as trivial as $6.95? Think of it this way, $6.95+$7.00+$15.00 and you have unlimited access to the Internet, unlimited longdistance calling and messaging to 5 people (expanded to 10 through certain special offers) 24/7; everywhere you go.
OK, OK, hold on a sec:

1) Bell calls the one-time fee the "One-time Connection Fee" and the monthly fee the "System Activation Fee". That's where the best deal I found was so I was using that terminology.

Regardless of semantics, it was quite clear I was referring to the monthly fee in my rant above. In no way could you deduce that I was referring to a one-time connection fee unless you just read the term "system activation fee", took it as the one-time charge, and ignored the entire post without reading it. So now at least I know you didn't read the post

2) Show me where I can pay $29 a month for:

- unlimited browsing
- unlimited long distance (I'm assuming local calls are unlimited as well)
- call answering for 10 people (I assume call display comes with it as well)

And I will get this deal immediately. Deals like that just don't exist otherwise I would have had a cellphone years ago. Like I stated above, the best deal I could find for $30 wasn't even close to that and from all the research and talking with basically everyone I've ever met about it. You can't even get what you're sayin' that for double the price. Please prove me wrong.

I don't just not get a cellphone because of it, I just include that in the price then take the price as a whole including that fee rather than ignoring it when making my decision. So, to me, it's not paying, say, $20 a month for 100 minutes and evenings and weekends starting at 9pm. It's $27, or an increase of about 35%.

3) It's not the $7, it's the principle of the matter. It confounds me how after all of my rants on so many different topics that you guys don't get that. I spend the money when I feel it's justified and trust me, I spend a lot of money on stuff that I want. I may be a cheap bastard but I don't deny myself things. I just try to find the best deal I can when I can (legal ones, Tess).

In this case, this was a blatant lie, period. Whether it's 1 cent or $10,000 a month it's still a bullshit fee that the cellphone companies gave a bold-faced lie about and continue to fleece the consumers on with no repercussions from either the public or our government. That's what irks me.

This whole argument started out because you were trying to justify the fee while I was trying to prove how it's bullshit. Everything else is off topic, so let's get back to the argument rather than going off on a thousand tangents.

I doubt you want to actually get back on topic, but if you do, scroll back up to that original post where I rant about the origins of what I call the "system activation fee" and respond. Then we can forget about all that stuff in your quote above and get back on topic.

 #118441  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:25 am
The system activation fee is only paid once. You are mistaking it for the network access fee which is something completely different. Though you are telling me the only reason you aren't buying a cell phone is because you don't want to pay a monthly base fee of something as trivial as $6.95? Think of it this way, $6.95+$7.00+$15.00 and you have unlimited access to the Internet, unlimited longdistance calling and messaging to 5 people (expanded to 10 through certain special offers) 24/7; everywhere you go.
Zeus wrote:OK, OK, hold on a sec:

1) Bell calls the one-time fee the "One-time Connection Fee" and the monthly fee the "System Activation Fee". That's where the best deal I found was so I was using that terminology.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Bel ... arch&meta=

You were saying?

Look up activation in the dictionary.
Zeus wrote:Regardless of semantics, it was quite clear I was referring to the monthly fee in my rant above. In no way could you deduce that I was referring to a one-time connection fee unless you just read the term "system activation fee", took it as the one-time charge, and ignored the entire post without reading it. So now at least I know you didn't read the post
At some point we began talking about activation fees. Am I reading closely? Not really, I'm at work.

Zeus wrote:2) Show me where I can pay $29 a month for:

- unlimited browsing
- unlimited long distance (I'm assuming local calls are unlimited as well)
- call answering for 10 people (I assume call display comes with it as well)

And I will get this deal immediately.
Rogers, 15 dollar Canada-wide My5 + $7 unlimited Internet add-on

Zeus wrote:Deals like that just don't exist otherwise I would have had a cellphone years ago.Like I stated above, the best deal I could find for $30 wasn't even close to that and from all the research and talking with basically everyone I've ever met about it. You can't even get what you're sayin' that for double the price. Please prove me wrong.
Rogers, 15 dollar Canada-wide My5 + $7 unlimited Internet add-on
Zeus wrote:I don't just not get a cellphone because of it, I just include that in the price then take the price as a whole including that fee rather than ignoring it when making my decision. So, to me, it's not paying, say, $20 a month for 100 minutes and evenings and weekends starting at 9pm. It's $27, or an increase of about 35%.
I'd love to see your face in a shop every time you have to pay sales tax.
Zeus wrote:3) It's not the $7, it's the principle of the matter. It confounds me how after all of my rants on so many different topics that you guys don't get that. I spend the money when I feel it's justified and trust me, I spend a lot of money on stuff that I want. I may be a cheap bastard but I don't deny myself things. I just try to find the best deal I can when I can (legal ones, Tess).

In this case, this was a blatant lie, period. Whether it's 1 cent or $10,000 a month it's still a bullshit fee that the cellphone companies gave a bold-faced lie about and continue to fleece the consumers on with no repercussions from either the public or our government. That's what irks me.
You are using the Internet, I am quite sure you are paying more than $6.95 per month. It's a base fee for the service, there's nothing wrong with that, it is just the way it is.
Zeus wrote:This whole argument started out because you were trying to justify the fee while I was trying to prove how it's bullshit. Everything else is off topic, so let's get back to the argument rather than going off on a thousand tangents.

I doubt you want to actually get back on topic, but if you do, scroll back up to that original post where I rant about the origins of what I call the "system activation fee" and respond. Then we can forget about all that stuff in your quote above and get back on topic.
Out of curiosity. What electric company are you with?

 #118447  by Zeus
 Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:09 am
My 5 don't count. I'm a social being, I have more than 5 people I wanna talk to regularly. That's a very restrictive phone to me and not worth the money.

Before I made that post yesterday, I went to look at the deals through my institute. Bell calls it the "System Activation Fee" and the one-time fee "One-time connection fee". Again, who cares about semantics? It was obvious if you read the post that I was referring to a monthly fee.

Sales tax is fine. That's why I have roads to drive on and health care.

Of course I pay more than $7 a month for Internet....but not as an additional charge over and above the service I"m getting. That's $4.25 and I would leave Rogers over it if Bell had a better deal. They don't so I'm forced to choose the lesser of two evils to get something I want and use to warrant the value. That's a case where the additional charge, as bullshit as it is, didn't alter my decision. But it's still a bullshit charge regardless, which is the point of this line of argument

 #118449  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:06 am
Access to the Rogers network costs $6.95, they are not obligated to give it to you for free. Calling plans cost additional money, again, they are not obligated to give you the service for free.