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  • Phil Harrison Resigns from Sony to join...Atari.

  • Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
 #118561  by Eric
 Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:21 pm
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3166576

Phil Harrison Resigns from Sony
Rumor has it Harrison's next stop may be Atari.
By Kris Pigna, 02/25/2008

Sony announced today that Phil Harrison will be stepping down from his position as president of Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios, effective February 29. No reasons for Harrison's departure were given, although GamesIndustry.biz reports via unnamed sources that he may be joining Infogrames, where he would spearhead Atari's push into the casual games market.

Harrison would join current Infogrames CEO David Gardner, who has previously expressed his desire to rebuild the floundering Atari brand name (which Infogrames owns a majority share in). "My goal is to help rebuild that passion around the company. First, with the employees and then very quickly to spread it virally on the internet to millions of new customers," Gardner said. "I have a personal challenge to create a world-class company that is European in flavor but reaches global markets. This will take some time of course, but here we have fantastic gaming DNA formed at the birth of the industry, access to creative talent and a company with the working capital to make the necessary investments to realize this vision."

While not necessarily related, it's worth noting that GamesIndustry.biz also reported from GDC last week that Harrison was publicly critical of Sony Japan for being too slow to embrace casual and social gaming, conceding that Nintendo has taken advantage of that market. "It's a very interesting and frustrating thing for me to experience because I have been banging the drum about social gaming for a long time, with SingStar, EyeToy and Buzz," Harrison said. "And our Japanese colleagues said that there is no such thing as social gaming in Japan -- people do not play games on the same sofa together in each other's homes. It will never happen. And then out comes the Wii."

Whatever the reasons are for Harrison's departure from Sony, it does end a 15-year history with the company, where he was instrumental in launching all three generations of the PlayStation hardware as well as the PSP. Replacing him will be SCEI president and Group CEO Kazuo Hirai, who will assume Harrison's responsibilities along with those of his current position. It's currently unclear whether this setup will be permanent, or if Hirai will be an interim substitute while Sony searches for a new replacement.

Harrison may have had a few critical things to say about Sony at GDC, but he was nothing but pleasant in a public statement regarding his resignation. "The past 15 years at Sony Computer Entertainment has been the defining journey of my life so far," Harrison said. "I am grateful to all the PlayStation family for their incredible support, guidance and friendship. It has been a privilege to serve as part of the team and be inspired by them on a daily basis. I am so proud of everything PlayStation has achieved and will continue to support its future in every way I can."

 #118562  by Blotus
 Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:36 pm
Just let Atari die...

 #118563  by Julius Seeker
 Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:43 pm
That's like California leaving the US in favour of Mexico just because Bush was an idiot.

This is NOT exactly following in Peter Moore's footsteps.

 #118579  by SineSwiper
 Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:12 pm
Comparing democracy with a monarchy isn't really valid. A CEO has every bit of control over the company as a whole. California has little control over their own public as far as who votes for who.

Sony won the format war, but is losing the console war. Even then, is BluRay worth the cost of the gaming market, considering most people don't even buy into the whole BluRay concept (since DVDs look just fine)? People will still buy DVDs 10 years from now.

I think sticker shock and low supply scared off the public, and thus, the exclusive games. All because some idiot decided that cost doesn't matter and people will buy the PS3 to get their BluRay player.

 #118588  by Zeus
 Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:06 pm
SineSwiper wrote:I think sticker shock and low supply scared off the public, and thus, the exclusive games. All because some idiot decided that cost doesn't matter and people will buy the PS3 to get their BluRay player.
*turns the broken record up* Blu-Ray and HD-DVD were dead before they came out. Both were regulated to niche before there even was a format war. One will go the way of the Betamax (HD) the other the way of the LD (Blu).

Simply put, the vast majority of people don't fucking care regardless of how much the industry tried to push it. I sure as fuck don't want to switch over my perfectly good DVD collection, do you?

I agree with M$ on this one, it's gonna have very little affect on the 360...and, by extension, on the PS3 beyond a few idiots. What will make the PS3 do well this year is the same thing that has been the backbone of every gaming system ever made: games. I say they have the best lineup this year, especially Xmas time. Hell, I may break down and get one if they drop the price yet again.

In other words, I agree, Sine :-)

 #118647  by Julius Seeker
 Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:14 am
Apparently not only has he been trashing Sony, but he has also been praising two of Sony's main competitors Nintendo and Apple.

As for winning the "format war" between Blue Ray and HDDVD, that's about as relevant as the Neo Geo pocket outselling the Sega Nomad.

 #118675  by SineSwiper
 Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:12 pm
Apple? For what?
Zeus wrote:What will make the PS3 do well this year is the same thing that has been the backbone of every gaming system ever made: games. I say they have the best lineup this year, especially Xmas time. Hell, I may break down and get one if they drop the price yet again.
Like what? I actually looked up the release dates for the PS3, and I can't find any exclusive title (besides MGS4) that looks remotely interesting.

 #118692  by Zeus
 Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:46 pm
SineSwiper wrote:Apple? For what?
Zeus wrote:What will make the PS3 do well this year is the same thing that has been the backbone of every gaming system ever made: games. I say they have the best lineup this year, especially Xmas time. Hell, I may break down and get one if they drop the price yet again.
Like what? I actually looked up the release dates for the PS3, and I can't find any exclusive title (besides MGS4) that looks remotely interesting.
Little Big Planet and God of War 3 are huge ones that come to mind (you want Little Big Planet, trust me). Of course, they're getting GTA4 as well, which is big for that crowd (the M$ crowd is a bit different). Gran Turismo 5 will be a big title with the masses as well even though I"m personally done with the series. Killzone 2 I don't care about but it'll be this year's big FPS and appeals to the Sony diehards; I say it does Call of Duty 4 like numbers. Fallout 3 and White Knight will be big with the nerd crowd on there. Although a lot of them may have left Sony for now it's not like M$ has catered to them with anything other than Mass Effect. FF13 would be huge but I doubt it's coming even though it's TBA 2008. Jak and Daxter is a possibility to be big although with the piss-poor sales of Ratchet and Clank (another one I'd like for the PS3), we'll have to see. Tekken 6 too since from what I remember, 5 didn't do too hot.

That's only the exclusives (and GTA4). You have all the sports and multi-platform titles there too. What does M$ have exclusive? Gears 2.............what else? That's why I say PS3 does a bit of catch up this year, especially if they drop the price. They may actually surpass the 360 worldwide if it stays strong in Europe and picks up a bit in Japan too.

Don't forget, it's not the games you want, it's what the masses want

 #118726  by SineSwiper
 Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:38 pm
Zeus wrote:Little Big Planet and God of War 3 are huge ones that come to mind (you want Little Big Planet, trust me).
GoW3 might not be released until 2009 actually. I think they are having problems with the leap from PS2 to PS3 (big surprise!).
Zeus wrote:Of course, they're getting GTA4 as well, which is big for that crowd (the M$ crowd is a bit different).
Heh, you act like there's some separation in audiences between hardcore console gamers. Besides, we're only talking about exclusives here. GTA4 doesn't count.
Zeus wrote:Gran Turismo 5 will be a big title with the masses as well even though I"m personally done with the series. Killzone 2 I don't care about but it'll be this year's big FPS and appeals to the Sony diehards; I say it does Call of Duty 4 like numbers.
Burnout kicks the shit outta Gran Turismo.
Halo kicks the shit outta Killzone. (Orange Box and Bioshock can stomp on it a bit, too.)

Oh, and Halo does Halo like numbers.
Zeus wrote:Fallout 3 and White Knight will be big with the nerd crowd on there. Although a lot of them may have left Sony for now it's not like M$ has catered to them with anything other than Mass Effect.
Oh, you mean the Fallout 3 trailer I downloaded and saw on my Xbox 360? So, yes, it's not an exclusive game.

RPGs have been lackluster all around (with certain exceptions), but at least the 360 has had a much better supply of them than the PS3: Blue Dragon, Bioshock (yes, I'm calling it an RPG), Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata, Ninety-Nine Nights, Infinite Undiscovery, Mass Effect, Too Human, Fallout 3, etc., etc.
Zeus wrote:FF13 would be huge but I doubt it's coming even though it's TBA 2008.
Though the original game won't come out on 360, I think the others are going to be multi-console.
Zeus wrote:Jak and Daxter is a possibility to be big although with the piss-poor sales of Ratchet and Clank (another one I'd like for the PS3), we'll have to see. Tekken 6 too since from what I remember, 5 didn't do too hot.
Maybe, I was never a big fan of the Jak and Daxter series, even though I like R&C. Virtua Fighter and DoA are both on 360, and I doubt Namco would make Tekken PS3 only.
Zeus wrote:What does M$ have exclusive? Gears 2.............what else?
Well, previous years (just exclusives in this list):

Orange Box (not on PS3)
Bioshock (not on PS3)
Mass Effect
Dead Rising
Crackdown
Beautiful Katamari
Gears of War
Halo 3
Eternal Sonata
Viva Pinata
Naruto: Rise of a Ninja
Dead or Alive 4
Blue Dragon
Ninety-Nine Nights
Tenchu Z
Saints Row
Perfect Dark Zero
Project Gotham Racing 3/4

That's just what I can think of right now. Here's what's coming this year:

Gears of War 2
Lost Odyssey
Ninja Gaiden 2
Infinite Undiscovery
Too Human
Fable 2
Banjo-Kazooie 3
Halo Wars
Halo: Chronicles
Culdcept Saga
Tales of Vesperia

Is that good enough for you? Those are exclusives, and just the ones that come out this year.

 #118729  by bovine
 Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:49 pm
orange box is on ps3, you crazy.

Also, where is this news that god of war 3 is coming out this year? the psp one is coming out this year, I have heard nothing about the third iteration.

While I agree there are two strong games coming out for the ps3 this year - MGS3 and Little Big Planet (FF13 is not coming out this year). Unless there is another price drop on the system, it is still not worth it in my opinion.... that is unless you highly value your backwards compatibility and can still find a 60GB model. The only exclusives I can wholeheartedly recommend at this moment are Warhawk and Uncharted. I'd recommend you get a PSP before you get a PS3 at this point.

 #118730  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:21 pm
SineSwiper wrote: Heh, you act like there's some separation in audiences between hardcore console gamers. Besides, we're only talking about exclusives here. GTA4 doesn't count.
GTA isn't aimed at hardcore gamers, it is aimed at mainstream gamers. Hardcore gamer is just a polite word for power-nerd nowadays; you know, the kinds that like shooting games, blood, techno music, and heavy metal.

 #118731  by SineSwiper
 Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:34 pm
bovine wrote:orange box is on ps3, you crazy.
Okay, I'll give you that, but some of the frame rate issues on the PS3 version make it almost unbearable to play at times.

 #118732  by bovine
 Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:45 pm
normally I'd say something like "I cannot confirm these claims of low framerates equalling unbearable since I have not seen the game in action", but since no one really flagged Heavenly Sword for its unplayable framerate, but they call orange box on it.... I must assume the rate of frames is beyond unplayable.

 #118733  by SineSwiper
 Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:09 pm
Dutch wrote:GTA isn't aimed at hardcore gamers, it is aimed at mainstream gamers. Hardcore gamer is just a polite word for power-nerd nowadays; you know, the kinds that like shooting games, blood, techno music, and heavy metal.
This quote is so full of fail that I don't even know where to start.

 #119016  by Julius Seeker
 Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:13 pm
SineSwiper wrote:
Dutch wrote:GTA isn't aimed at hardcore gamers, it is aimed at mainstream gamers. Hardcore gamer is just a polite word for power-nerd nowadays; you know, the kinds that like shooting games, blood, techno music, and heavy metal.
This quote is so full of fail that I don't even know where to start.
So you disagree that GTA is aimed at mainstream gamers?

 #119017  by Kupek
 Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:28 pm
The industry has landed on definitions of "casual" and "hardcore" that is different than yours. Games like Wii Play and Bejewled are for casual gamers, and just about everything else (encompassing the likes of GTA, FF, Halo, Mario, even your beloved Xenosaga) is for hardcore gamers. Your definition further subdivides the hardcore gamer category. Which is valid, as far as concepts go, but it's not the terminology everyone else is using now.

 #119029  by Zeus
 Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:09 am
Kupek wrote:The industry has landed on definitions of "casual" and "hardcore" that is different than yours. Games like Wii Play and Bejewled are for casual gamers, and just about everything else (encompassing the likes of GTA, FF, Halo, Mario, even your beloved Xenosaga) is for hardcore gamers. Your definition further subdivides the hardcore gamer category. Which is valid, as far as concepts go, but it's not the terminology everyone else is using now.
I agree but there has been a few articles on the further subdivision that I agree with. I think it's very important for the industry not to categorize all "hardcore" gamers as the same and all "casuals" as the same and they're trying not to so they can better understand their audience. There are definitely different levels of hardcore gamers and maybe one or two of the casuals, depending on your definition.

 #119030  by Kupek
 Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:45 am
You certainly can further subdivide the categories, but right now, the industry is most interested in two types of people who play games: those who did it as a hobby, and those who do it incidentally. We can come up with other categories if we like, but this distinction dwarfs them.

 #119031  by Julius Seeker
 Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:42 am
The Industry sees hardcore gamers as a minority (depending on who you talk to it would be a figure anywhere between 5% and 25%) of the total gaming population. If you ask most anyone in the industry their definition of hardcore gamer they will say someone who dedicates their free time to gaming rather than other things: dating, tv, reading, athletics, etc...

The Casual Games genre is not defined as games developed for casual gamers, but rather games designed for casual play; their target is the overall gaming market, the defining characteristic is simplicity and high accessibility. Some of the classic examples will include MS Minesweeper, Tetris, MS Solitaire, Wii Sports.

The casual gamer may prefer to play casual games, but they may also prefer to play other genres as well. A LOT of casual gamers play World of Warcraft, Soul Calibur, Tony Hawk, Starcraft, GTA, Mario, and many other mass-market appeal games.

Hardcore games, I do know that a lot of industry people hate this term as much as 2.5D.

 #119032  by SineSwiper
 Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:45 pm
Dutch wrote:The Industry sees hardcore gamers as a minority (depending on who you talk to it would be a figure anywhere between 5% and 25%) of the total gaming population. If you ask most anyone in the industry their definition of hardcore gamer they will say someone who dedicates their free time to gaming rather than other things: dating, tv, reading, athletics, etc...
Dating? There's a difference between the industry's badly thought-up definition of "hardcore gamer" and "total uber anti-social nerd".

 #119033  by Zeus
 Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:41 pm
Kupek wrote:You certainly can further subdivide the categories, but right now, the industry is most interested in two types of people who play games: those who did it as a hobby, and those who do it incidentally. We can come up with other categories if we like, but this distinction dwarfs them.
Oh, definitely, but it does not provide enough assistance to those analyzing the marketplace. The differences in genre preferences, successful marketing techniques, and even decision making process can differ so greatly within the "hardcore" market that you have to further subdivide it in order to determine what is appealing to them.

Most companies just take the "build it well and they will come" approach, hence the copycatting that goes on. As the market rapidly matures and the decline in the business cycle starts, this type of info will be invaluable to those companies that care to pay attention. This will help them separate their products and also drive development to meet the desires of the consumers.

For some of these smaller developers struggling in the M&A (mergers & acquisitions) world of gaming where you can only work on one game and it could make or break you, any little bit helps.

On a side note: what would you define as a "hardcore" or "casual" gamer?