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  • the most depressing article on finding alien life I've read

  • Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.
Somehow, we still tolerate each other. Eventually this will be the only forum left.

 #121216  by Zeus
 Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:54 pm
Whoa, hello again!

 #121217  by Imakeholesinu
 Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:56 pm
They are comin out of the woodwork aren't they?
 #121222  by Tessian
 Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:58 pm
Zhuge Liang4 wrote: Live it up guys, we might just destroy ourselves before reaching the singularity. :P
That's been theorized many a times and so much so I'm pretty much convinced that IS the destiny of the human race: self annihilation. Whether it be an experiment gone wrong or nuclear war, it seems our species is the kind that will just tear itself apart until we've gone extinct.

And Hey Zhuge, hehe

 #121223  by Don
 Thu May 01, 2008 1:45 am
I don't find the argument on this to be very convincing. The argument about life being 'unlikely' doesn't really mean much when 'unlikely' cannot be defined as a probability. If the chance of life is 1 out of 1 googol planets then yeah it's be unlikely to find life elsewhere. If it's like 1 in a trillion planets unlikely then you'd expect quite a bit of life in the universe (billions of galaxy X billions of planets). It's basically a rehash of the equation of the likelihood of life that is equal to a bunch of numbers multiplied together, except no one has a clue whether any of these numbers are remotely correct. Depending on how you tweak the numbers you can either get we must be alone or the universe is filled with intelligent life.

It is pretty safe to say though that given the size of the universe, even if intelligent life existed, it'd be pretty hard to reach other unless we come up with technology, or that the alien possesss the technology, that fundamentally changes how the laws of physics as we know it. I think Hawkins said that it's probably the case where basic life is very common, but complex life is very unlikely, but how likely and how unlikely, no one really knows.
 #121231  by Julius Seeker
 Thu May 01, 2008 8:46 am
Zhuge Liang4 wrote:http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/20569/

Pretty good arguments. After reading Kurzweil, I always wondered, "if what he predicts is true, why haven't super-intelligent aliens contacted us by now?"

Live it up guys, we might just destroy ourselves before reaching the singularity. :P
It must be that time of year again, Zhuge is posting =P

 #121234  by Kupek
 Thu May 01, 2008 9:16 am
Don, that's not really what the essay is about. It's not about how likely or unlikely complex life is. It's about given that liklihood, what does it imply for the future of our species?

 #121237  by EsquE
 Thu May 01, 2008 11:58 am
Zhuge! Long time old friend. :D

 #121240  by Don
 Thu May 01, 2008 12:46 pm
The average time a space faring civilization will last could be 1000 years or 1 million years. It's again a number that's totally arbitrary and depending on what you think it is, you can get completely different conclusions on the nature of life in the universe.