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  • Nintendo becoming software-only developer in the next few years, like Sega? "Experts" seem to think so.....(details inside)

  • Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
Because playing them is not enough, we have to bitch about them daily, too. We had a Gameplay forum, but it got replaced by GameFAQs.
 #30937  by Zeus
 Sun Oct 20, 2002 1:23 am
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>From MagicBox:

Strategy Analytics has released a new console shipment forecast report, indicates that Sony will
continue to dominate the sales in the console market. Throughout this year, the console sales has
increased by 84%, and PlayStation 2 captured 63% of the worldwide market share, with over 41.9
million units shipped. GameCube is in the 2nd place with a 21% market share, or 10.8 million units;
Xbox is in the 3rd place with a 16% market share and 8.2 million units.

- Furthermore, the report forecasts that the market share of PlayStation 2 will further increase to 72%
by the end of the year. Strategy Analytics pointed out the console war has become a race for the
second place, as Nintendo and Microsoft will continue to fight for the second place head to head. The
industry experts predict that Nintendo may move to a software-only developer like Sega in the next
few years.

Might actually happen, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, IMO. The future of the console market is in the set-top boxes, no doubt, I just think it'll be later this decade. So, Nintendo goes it one more round in the consoles, then it just becomes too difficult for them to compete, with their limited product focus......unless they revolutionize the market again (don't say "no chance", that's what everyone told them back in 1985 when they launched the NES in the US a year after the Atari crash left a bad taste in EVERYONE's mouth, particularly the business world). And now they don't have Yamuachi's ego to force certain issues. I think they'll always stick to the GBA with a possibility of maybe making a future GBA-type machine with cell, PDA, and other wireless communication capabilities, in a partner deal with leading firms, of course. They really rake it in off the handheld machine, they'd be stupid not to carry that one on, evn if it's only to licence the hardware (to play their officially licenced games, their major cash cow) to other manufacturers. It's the console machine's declining profit margins and extended necessary capital outlay, R&D, and longer break-even time from a hardware point of view that might get them to leave the market; risks just way too high if your focus is only games.

Like I said, not necessarily a bad thing from a profit-maximizing point of view. The only real question is: will Microsoft be able to compete on the world market with Sony to the degree that we won't have another situation like we had with Nintendo back in the mid- to late-80's (no competition leading to iron fist ruling) or will there be yet another company which will present itself? Nintendo could stay in, but they'd need to strenghten their partnership with Matsushita a lot more or with some other company. Either way, they can't remain the dominant partner to compete in the future.

One thing's for sure, our kids will have FAR more interesting stuff to play games on than us</div>

 #30938  by Flip
 Sun Oct 20, 2002 1:35 am
<div style='font: 12pt "Cooper Black"; text-align: left; '>Wouldnt that be a huge flip-flop. Not too long ago we had Nintendo and Sega dominating the marker and then suddenly it will be Sony and Microsoft, what a world, long live capitalism! (not being Facetious)</div>

 #30939  by Eric
 Sun Oct 20, 2002 1:48 am
<div style='font: 11pt ; text-align: left; '>As long as it doesn't get to the point where they just put out games with no plot, and horrid gameplay that people are just gonna buy because there's nothing better, I couldn't give a damn.</div>

 #30945  by Mr Satan
 Mon Oct 21, 2002 8:44 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>So Nintendo is broke like Sega was?</div>

 #30946  by Zeus
 Mon Oct 21, 2002 10:14 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>No way, they have more money in their games division than any other company. It's just the way the market is going</div>

 #30947  by Mr Satan
 Mon Oct 21, 2002 11:59 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>How exactly is the market changing?</div>

 #30948  by SineSwiper
 Tue Oct 22, 2002 2:43 am
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Well, 4-year-old kids don't play video games as much as 20-year-old ones.</div>

 #30951  by Mr Satan
 Tue Oct 22, 2002 8:20 am
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>What is your point?</div>

 #30959  by SineSwiper
 Tue Oct 22, 2002 11:51 am
<div style='font: 11pt "EngraversGothic BT", "Copperplate Gothic Light"; text-align: left; '>Nintendo realizes that it's a changing market when people don't buy their kiddie shit game any more.</div>

 #30960  by Mr Satan
 Tue Oct 22, 2002 12:19 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Then wouldn't it make more sense for them to become a pure hardware company and quit the software industry?</div>

 #30969  by Zeus
 Tue Oct 22, 2002 5:04 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>The industry has become such a large portion of the entertainment industry and the technology used to deliver the games can be molded with many other technologies to produce a single, all-inclusive entertainment unit called a "set-top box". It;s already started with the built-in DVD players</div>

 #30970  by Zeus
 Tue Oct 22, 2002 5:05 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Not necessarily.</div>

 #30971  by Zeus
 Tue Oct 22, 2002 5:07 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>No, software is where they make their money. Hardware is a loss-leader in it's first few years, they make all the money back in software sales. Since they don't have to pay licence fees, their profit margins are MUCH higher than, say, Capcom's</div>

 #30974  by Mr Satan
 Tue Oct 22, 2002 5:16 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>According to Sineswiper, people don't like Nintendo games and don't buy them. That would indicate that Software perhaps isn't their field.</div>

 #30976  by Mr Satan
 Tue Oct 22, 2002 5:20 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>So Nintendo is incapable of making one of those machines?</div>

 #30978  by Mr Satan
 Tue Oct 22, 2002 5:24 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>According to Mr Sineswiper, people don't like Nintendo games and don't buy them. That would indicate that Software perhaps isn't their field.</div>

 #30982  by Don
 Wed Oct 23, 2002 3:31 am
<div style='font: 12pt ; text-align: left; '>But you'd lose less money if you don't have to sell the hardware</div>

 #30983  by Mr Satan
 Wed Oct 23, 2002 9:42 am
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Then why should any company be making hardware?</div>

 #30985  by Kupek
 Wed Oct 23, 2002 12:48 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Because they get bucket-fulls of money selling licenses to third party companies and by making games for their own hardware.</div>

 #30986  by Mr Satan
 Wed Oct 23, 2002 1:32 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Well, then I think those Industry "experts" might be wrong then.</div>

 #30987  by Kupek
 Wed Oct 23, 2002 2:57 pm
<div style='font: 10pt verdana; text-align: left; padding: 0% 10% 0% 10%; '>Well, if you're a company that has a console that hasn't sold much (like Sega), then it doesn't work out too well.</div>

 #30990  by Zeus
 Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:45 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>Not over the life cycle of the product you wouldn't, why do you think the companies are putting that many resources into winning the race</div>

 #30991  by Zeus
 Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:46 pm
<div style='font: 9pt ; text-align: left; '>True, but it's not like Nintendo isn't selling systems. They've sold about 11 million worldwide. They referring to a chance in the industry</div>